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Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:06:43 -0400
To: Andrey Hristov <php@hristov.com>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 6.0 Wishlist
From: george@omniti.com (George Schlossnagle)

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On Aug 13, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Andrey Hristov wrote:

> George Schlossnagle wrote:
>
>> On Aug 13, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Andrey Hristov wrote:
>>
>>> George Schlossnagle wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 13, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> * Christian Schneider <cschneid@cschneid.com> :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 9.  Named parameters. Preferred way would be via array()-less  
>>>>>> array
>>>>>> collation as we are already using this in our production   
>>>>>> system ;-) :
>>>>>> foo('id' => 42, 'name' => "foo");
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> +1 -- this is one of the biggest things I miss coming from  
>>>>> perl  to  PHP.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Huh?  Perl doesn't have true support for this anyway, just a   
>>>> simpler  syntax for hashrefs.  If you want Perlish named params   
>>>> this is 100%  identical to doing
>>>> foo(array('id' => 42, 'name' => 'foo'));
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, this idea I think comes from Python. Last time I checked  
>>> they  had these
>>> and as far as I remember this have been brought 2 times. The  
>>> first  time before
>>> 5.0 and has been rescheduled for 6.0 :)
>>>
>> :)
>> I'm not against named parameters.  Python's support for them is  
>> nice  as well.  But Perl doesn't support named parameters any  
>> different  than can be done currently in PHP.
>> George
>>
>
> I could be wrong, but I think you were the one who first wanted  
> named parameters
> that long time ago :)

Possibly, which would fall inline with not being against them now. :)

I like them in Python.  The ones in Perl are a hack, though, with  
limitations on how they can be positioned, lack of prototyping and  
default values, etc.  The Python ones are much more flexible, imho.   
The only difference between Perl's support for named params and PHP's  
current support is that in Perl:

foo( a => 1, b => 2) is the same as foo((a => 1, b => 2)), i.e. that  
you have in Perl:

(a => 1, b => 2)

whereas in PHP we have

array('a' => 1, 'b' => 2);







>
> Andrey
>

George Schlossnagle

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