Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:16387 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 8318 invoked by uid 1010); 5 Jun 2005 19:31:44 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 8303 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 19:31:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 19:31:44 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.165.35.142 thinkforge.org Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from ([82.165.35.142:29472] helo=mail.mayflowersystem.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 1.2 r(5656M)) with SMTP id 0E/12-56751-E1353A24 for ; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 15:31:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 21994 invoked by uid 60010); 5 Jun 2005 19:31:39 -0000 Received: from 82.135.77.174 by mail (envelope-from , uid 89) with qmail-scanner-1.24 (uvscan: v4.3.20/v4362. spamassassin: 2.63. Clear:RC:1(82.135.77.174):. Processed in 0.485263 secs); 05 Jun 2005 19:31:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (schlueter@mayflower.de@82.135.77.174) by 0 with (RC4-MD5 encrypted) SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 19:31:38 -0000 To: internals@lists.php.net, Marcus Boerger Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:30:16 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.8 Cc: Andi Gutmans References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050603203711.028e9140@localhost> <1103757830.20050605191826@marcus-boerger.de> In-Reply-To: <1103757830.20050605191826@marcus-boerger.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-ID: <200506052130.18115.johannes@php.net> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.1 From: johannes@php.net (Johannes Schlueter) Hi, On Sunday 05 June 2005 19:18, Marcus Boerger wrote: > 2) PHP is all about the putting out text so nearly all objects created in > PHP are meant to put something onto the generated pages. Thus i think i am > not alone to suggest we put back the magic __toString function in place as > we said when we dropped it's support from 5.0. Also it is very hard to > explain why "echo $a . $obj" and "echo $a, $obj" output different things > when one is an object. Both is pretty much against the spirit of PHP - > easiness isn't it? Especially with "echo $a . $obj" and "echo $a, $obj" it's really annoying.= =20 Many people are concating when printing stuff and it's hard to explain why= =20 the results differ... > 4) I still want the ifsetor operator since it is very helpfull and again > simplifies a lot of things. +10 > 5) tons of other stuff i menationed offline and in public - since i lost > the energy in tracking all that issues i guess the work and time in those > wasn't worse the effort and they can wait anyway :-) Is there progress with the new date stuff? I'd really like to have dates=20 before 1970. johannes =2D-=20 Johannes Schl=FCter Mayflower GmbH / ThinkPHP http://thinkphp.de http://blog.thinkphp.de