Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:15255 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 11764 invoked by uid 1010); 4 Mar 2005 15:39:32 -0000 Delivered-To: ezmlm-scan-internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: ezmlm-internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 11749 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2005 15:39:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Mar 2005 15:39:32 -0000 X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.204.192.51 jdi.jdimedia.nl Linux 2.5 (sometimes 2.4) (4) Received: from ([212.204.192.51:39100] helo=jdi.jdimedia.nl) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity HEAD r(5124)) with SMTP id 1B/59-29225-33188224 for ; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:39:32 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jdi.jdimedia.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j24FdTiA019274 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:39:29 +0100 Received: from jdi.jdimedia.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (jdi.jdimedia.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 18872-02-2 for ; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:39:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jdi.jdimedia.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j24FdO3u019255; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:39:25 +0100 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 16:39:24 +0100 (CET) X-X-Sender: derick@localhost To: Matthew Charles Kavanagh cc: PHP Developers Mailing List In-Reply-To: <42284EF8.7040804@teh.ath.cx> Message-ID: References: <2fd662a0050304021017e3a43c@mail.gmail.com> <42284BED.1090003@teh.ath.cx> <42284EF8.7040804@teh.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at jdimedia.nl Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Encryption Routines and PHP 5.1+ From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) On Fri, 4 Mar 2005, Matthew Charles Kavanagh wrote: > Perhaps you're not seeing my point, or perhaps you don't care about > users? I speak as a developer, not as some guy with a crap webhost, and > my concern is that I would like to write applications that many people > can run, not just those who take out a loan against their house to pay > for webhosting. Many other developers will feel the same way as me. There are also developers who want to use Oracle, should we bundle Oracle client libraries? There are also developers who want to use X, should we bundle X' client libraries? Often it's not even possible to bundle libraries (libmcrypt is one, as it's LGPL - we do *NOT* want to get into GPL/LGPL mess again), in other cases it's only very rarely used. As a developer you have options: a) make sure things that rely on things that are not enabled by default are optional components of your application b) make sure to re-implement things that are not available in PHP c) tell your users to get a decent webhost - all decent ones will gladly add a new extension Make your choice. Derick -- Derick Rethans http://derickrethans.nl | http://ez.no | http://xdebug.org