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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:50:48 -0500
Reply-To: Wez Furlong <kingwez@gmail.com>
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Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Re:_[PHP-DEV]_Why_we_don=E2=80=99t_like_PHP_/?=
From: kingwez@gmail.com (Wez Furlong)

OpenSource being what it is (e.g.: "get your finger out"), it seems to
me like we will get stable Apache 2 support when someone knowledgeable
in the Apache 2 guts sits down and does the work.

We don't have any resident Apache 2 experts (e.g.: we've established
that 1.3 works fine for us in our busy professional lives), and the
two Apache guys that offered to do the work haven't been around lately
(fair play; everyone has plenty of other things to do with their free
time).

If a senior/knowledgeable Apache guy wants to moan about FUD, perhaps
he could divert his efforts into making it work, rather than
contributing to bad-vibe-slime (queue walking Statue of Liberty and
feel-good music).

--Wez.

PS: that last paragraph is supposed to be funny, not bitchy.

On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:19:15 -0500, George Schlossnagle
<george@omniti.com> wrote:
> 
> On Dec 20, 2004, at 8:05 PM, Christian Schneider wrote:
> 
> > Derick Rethans wrote:
> >> Why would we (as PHP developers) invest time in something while the
> >> current version provides us with all we need?
> >
> > Because more and more people want to run Apache 2 for different
> > reasons?
> >
> > According to your argument PHP would only need to support one single
> > OS and Webserver because "it provides all we need".
> >
> > At some point you'll have to face it: Apache 2 is becoming a popular
> > "platform". It's obviously up to you at what point you'll consider
> > this important enough to spend time on it but a reality check every so
> > often is never a bad thing.
> 
> Not to sound overly American, but isn't this the sort of thing that's
> just worked out by market forces?  When enough people want the apache2
> sapi to be production quality, then eventually someone will become
> interested enough to do the work.