Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:130952 X-Original-To: internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: internals@lists.php.net Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (php-smtp4.php.net [45.112.84.5]) by lists.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA6671A00BC for ; Mon, 18 May 2026 21:07:27 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=php.net; s=mail; t=1779138452; bh=hEQj2xJzl6jvYBp4r7CukD39AMKMVIzH3wxrFit2M3Q=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=dBGU4MRJsBoGaPP2s71+vTt9dRPHkmnTSgJXsDW4qHjOigG7JNyy9GHRA2GGNBqe0 f9Jzw5YiN8gZnqcuiRxM9gqAeuYjfe8JmGKuXJ7c687DKFqhw3DuQu31BmttT6LmSd TUN0enSyq7FRr4SYyDK4YcKPNW0bOVspd2GDyT8+2+sfjpWdHkK794NM9aUIo7U9MT M/1ZR5J/vOYQZ9sp6jl2jQ4eUfAU3JjqTjrRoN+jLLv6v3t2+kgeBRppVmU/YnAO1c KMiVxw2d12uwsOWcsoeI8GakLpa3lS2lZAy87TN2DUi/5y3TB6FBFmbHyUPNq8Au9Z OKGtlUe9f2lfg== Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDA9180069 for ; Mon, 18 May 2026 21:07:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.1 (2024-03-25) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,DMARC_PASS,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.1 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from chrono.xqk7.com (chrono.xqk7.com [176.9.45.72]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 18 May 2026 21:07:31 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bastelstu.be; s=mail20171119; t=1779138443; bh=FoVcL6u7YTn8V3ZFSw23mpZjoQYO7f4/rMdpiP+CIkE=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:from:to:cc:subject:message-id; b=kYMerzGMCW9fdMrDoxfgTS6FyFtoCbE1Yjq1ilGJISRIsGbLNWJ7fWwd3E0w6KAFS M+jP5OSFhLHC8LJpME/Kk9m8vhIbUi/CDX6vEReh7dYoY+Z4Ddb5+BpG0WFqCRPW6e FbjMitM/ciTjM+m7tRzmFn4Ktpiar1QLR+grywEu/vGmpNTwk2krzBRnUaFAw9WSxp 2ZTZdszTtyB8GDyu7YKzQbC4WzSJkB4fFM9/ZwAxk4TT4kjKtrn61CxvznStM6vcPz MGYc+7xw2rn0vpUD1nujdGLO3BPlxL3kyZ/mzRmyYkm78x4DYFQ8e6AzbEsdExyUyy BCQPiyg+kPM9A== Message-ID: <62da4f01-92e0-4ccb-91ef-90adbfd4e286@bastelstu.be> Date: Mon, 18 May 2026 23:07:22 +0200 Precedence: list list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: List-Id: x-ms-reactions: disallow MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Remove the links to X.com from PHP.net To: Jim Winstead , internals@lists.php.net References: Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: tim@bastelstu.be (=?UTF-8?Q?Tim_D=C3=BCsterhus?=) Hi On 5/18/26 20:07, Jim Winstead wrote: > I just opened voting for the "Remove the links to X.com from PHP.net" RFC. > > The RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/remove-link-to-x-from-php-net > The PR: https://github.com/php/web-php/pull/1879 > The discussion thread:https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/130610 > > Voting runs until 2026-06-03 17:00:00 UTC. There is just one vote to cast. Thank you for your RFC. I voted against it, because I believe that the RFC is poorly written and executed. In particular I believe it is asking the wrong question with the "RFC Impact" section also drawing a conclusion that I don't believe follows from the question asked: The presence or absence of a link on php.net does not change whether or not the @official_php account on X is an official presence or not. Given that php.net linked to this account, I consider it to be an established fact that the account is an official account of the PHP project - which the RFC also acknowledges. The question to then decide on is whether or not the account should be abandoned, which is something that entails more than removing the links from php.net (e.g. updating the bio). The removal of the link directly follows from the account status, not the other way around. This is also something that Rowan noted during the discussion https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/130733. As far as I can tell this email did not receive a response from you as the RFC author, in fact the entire subthread starting from Rowan's first email doesn't contain any emails from you. That's the “poorly executed” part I mentioned above: I feel you did not properly engage with (what I believe to be) well-articulated concerns regarding the RFC by either replying with counter-arguments or by making changes to the RFC in response. Best regards Tim Düsterhus PS: I'm also just noting a factual error in the RFC text itself: The newest post was made on 2024-06-04, whereas the RFC claims in the introduction that the account has not posted since 2023.