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Sat, 2 May 2026 11:54:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface Precedence: list list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: List-Id: x-ms-reactions: disallow MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ThreadId: AiyqEPxF-ktB Date: Sat, 02 May 2026 10:54:37 -0500 To: "php internals" Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5b4527cb-0565-493a-b3fc-dbb981296572@app.fastmail.com> References: <5b4527cb-0565-493a-b3fc-dbb981296572@app.fastmail.com> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Remove the links to X.com from PHP.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: larry@garfieldtech.com ("Larry Garfield") On Fri, May 1, 2026, at 2:10 PM, Jim Winstead wrote: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2026, at 8:55 AM, Roman Pronskiy wrote: >> I've drafted an alternative RFC that addresses this directly: >> >> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/social-media-policy >> https://github.com/pronskiy/php-rfc-social-media-policy/pull/1/changes >> >> It establishes Infrastructure Team custody of credentials (with >> succession procedures, so this situation does not recur) and >> Foundation content authority for official channels. Decisions about >> which platforms PHP maintains become content decisions within a >> documented process =E2=80=94 including the X question, future platfor= ms, and >> any reversal of those decisions later. > > This doesn't do anything to establish the membership and accountabilit= y=20 > of either this "Infrastructure Team", and the "temporary=20 > administration" of The PHP Foundation itself has continued to fail to=20 > deliver on its nearly five-year-old promise to establish governance=20 > procedures of its own, and it appears to be content to continue=20 > operating that way indefinitely, so I don't believe it is in the=20 > interest of the PHP project to wait for that. > >> I'd ask that this RFC be deferred until the governance framework is in >> place. Removing a link is trivial to do afterwards, should that be the >> decision. > > Respectfully, no. The governance framework we have now is the RFC=20 > process, and even if you want to characterize this as ratifying a=20 > decision that was made unilaterally by someone, doing that by RFC is=20 > the process we have. > > Cheers. > > Jim I fully agree with Jim here. I am 100% in favor of improving our govern= ance processes, which are currently largely non-existent. I will happil= y support those efforts, but they're so haphazard right now that we need= to start at ground 0 first; defining the infra team, how one is added t= o it, how one is removed from it, etc. That's a not-small task; one I'm= happy to assist in, but it's a months long process knowing PHP. Meanwhile, the current process, broken as it is, does have a mechanism t= o approve "don't link to this thing," and it's called an RFC. We work w= ith the process we have, not the process we wish we had. And the proces= s we have is exactly this thread/RFC, as-is. --Larry Garfield