Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:130408 X-Original-To: internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: internals@lists.php.net Received: by lists.php.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 5E3891ADB50; Sat, 21 Mar 2026 16:53:29 +0000 (UTC) To: internals@lists.php.net Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2026 11:53:29 -0500 Precedence: list list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: List-Id: x-ms-reactions: disallow MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] php-community: a faster-moving, community-driven PHP. 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So if > you download the php-dev-aviz-2024-03-10 docker image, it's easy to > run it and see what the code "feels like," but no one is going to > mistake it for a stable, production-usable image they can build a > business on. (Well, almost no one; I'm sure someone will try, but > it's a lot easier then to say "it's your own damned fault for > running some rando PR in production".) > > That would allow devs to more easily "try out" a feature and report > back manually. That potentially improves the quality of feedback > from "I read the syntax in the RFC and I don't like X" to "I tried > writing a class with this syntax and I kept mistyping it because > it's fugly". Or perhaps not, but at least it is vastly lower effort > to do. The Async people are already doing this, which is very > good! All we need is make that easier and more automated to do for > any RFC. I believe the "official"[^1] Docker PHP images provide builds of every RC version of PHP. It might be interesting for them to provide php-unstable variants that are builds of specific feature branches, much like 3v4l does. Doing so would be up to that community,[^2] though—not this one. Cheers, Ben [^1]: They are officially maintained and supported by the Docker Community, not by Docker or the PHP project. [^2]: https://github.com/docker-library/php