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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2026 18:11:17 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] php-community: a faster-moving, community-driven PHP.
To: Ben Ramsey <ramsey@php.net>
Cc: PHP Internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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From: daniil.gentili@gmail.com (Daniil Gentili)

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> We can change this. Convince companies who use PHP to commit to
> recurring donations. Once it has a sustainable revenue and is able to
> hire more than 10 full-time and part-time developers, maybe it will be
> able to fund projects like this.
>

You cannot convince companies who are actively looking for alternatives to
PHP due to the lack of core, modern features like async, generics to invest
in PHP, so that maybe (more likely no than yes, as proven) in the future
internals may accept RFCs (financed by the PHPF or not), bringing async and
generics into PHP.

You first need to have a working, proven track record of leadership capable
of merging new features into PHP.

Internals currently has exactly the opposite track record: this has to
change in order for both PHP and the PHPF to succeed.

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We can change this. Convince companies who use PHP to commit to <br>
recurring donations. Once it has a sustainable revenue and is able to <br>
hire more than 10 full-time and part-time developers, maybe it will be <br>
able to fund projects like this.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"au=
to"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">You cannot convince companies who are activ=
ely looking for alternatives to PHP due to the lack of core, modern feature=
s like async, generics to invest in PHP, so that maybe (more likely no than=
 yes, as proven) in the future internals may accept RFCs (financed by the P=
HPF or not), bringing async and generics into PHP.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><=
br></div><div dir=3D"auto">You first need to have a working, proven track r=
ecord of leadership capable of merging new features into PHP.</div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Internals currently has exactly the o=
pposite track record: this has to change in order for both PHP and the PHPF=
 to succeed.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_c=
ontainer"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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