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Tue, 03 Mar 2026 04:34:28 -0800 (PST) Precedence: list list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: List-Id: x-ms-reactions: disallow MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <42fba78f4a68c906e7b7868002bef176@bastelstu.be> In-Reply-To: <42fba78f4a68c906e7b7868002bef176@bastelstu.be> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2026 18:04:16 +0530 X-Gm-Features: AaiRm52S6POCyU3EQEf6UepWrWXchnogj9aP3IfUfuyFz6XRZrt_7nyrOBD3y4o Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE]ValueError Conversions for PHP 8.6 To: =?UTF-8?Q?Tim_D=C3=BCsterhus?= Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000acec53064c1decf7" From: arshidkv12@gmail.com (Muhammed Arshid KV) --000000000000acec53064c1decf7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for your feedback. I have added an "Abstain" option as well. *Bukka* also shared a suggestion regarding this RFC. Please check the latest message here: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/20971#issuecomment-3923902448 On Tue, Mar 3, 2026 at 5:26=E2=80=AFPM Tim D=C3=BCsterhus wrote: > Hi > > Am 2026-03-03 09:37, schrieb Muhammed Arshid KV: > > This is to announce the opening of the vote for the *ValueError > > Conversions > > RFC*. > > > > RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php86_valueerror_conversions > > Discussion thread: https://externals.io/message/130090 > > > > The vote will be open for 2 weeks (and a few hours), closing on March > > 17th > > at midnight UTC. > > There are no voting options available in the RFC for reasons that are > unclear to me. Looking at the page=E2=80=99s source code I don't see an o= bvious > mistake with regard to the markup for the voting doodle. > > I'm however noting that the options do not include the =E2=80=9CAbstain= =E2=80=9D option > that is required per our policy: > > https://github.com/php/policies/blob/main/feature-proposals.rst#required-= majority > > I am also unable to find an =E2=80=9CIntent to Vote=E2=80=9D announcement= for this RFC > in the mailing list archives and the corresponding discussion thread is > only 12 days old as of now (which is less than the cooldown period of 14 > days after the initial proposal). As such the start of the vote is > violating our current policy in multiple points. > > I also don't think that this RFC has properly been discussed and I don't > feel it is productive to individually vote on every case of properly > validating input parameters. This warrants a generic decision, such as > the one proposed by Gina in her =E2=80=9CExempt input type and value vali= dation > from BC Break policy=E2=80=9D RFC: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals= /130221 > > Given the clear policy violation regarding the vote, I request the vote > be canceled. I would also recommend to withdraw the RFC in favor of > Gina=E2=80=99s - but that is your decision as the RFC author of course. > > Best regards > Tim D=C3=BCsterhus On Tue, Mar 3, 2026 at 5:26=E2=80=AFPM Tim D=C3=BCsterhus wrote: > Hi > > Am 2026-03-03 09:37, schrieb Muhammed Arshid KV: > > This is to announce the opening of the vote for the *ValueError > > Conversions > > RFC*. > > > > RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php86_valueerror_conversions > > Discussion thread: https://externals.io/message/130090 > > > > The vote will be open for 2 weeks (and a few hours), closing on March > > 17th > > at midnight UTC. > > There are no voting options available in the RFC for reasons that are > unclear to me. Looking at the page=E2=80=99s source code I don't see an o= bvious > mistake with regard to the markup for the voting doodle. > > I'm however noting that the options do not include the =E2=80=9CAbstain= =E2=80=9D option > that is required per our policy: > > https://github.com/php/policies/blob/main/feature-proposals.rst#required-= majority > > I am also unable to find an =E2=80=9CIntent to Vote=E2=80=9D announcement= for this RFC > in the mailing list archives and the corresponding discussion thread is > only 12 days old as of now (which is less than the cooldown period of 14 > days after the initial proposal). As such the start of the vote is > violating our current policy in multiple points. > > I also don't think that this RFC has properly been discussed and I don't > feel it is productive to individually vote on every case of properly > validating input parameters. This warrants a generic decision, such as > the one proposed by Gina in her =E2=80=9CExempt input type and value vali= dation > from BC Break policy=E2=80=9D RFC: https://news-web.php.net/php.internals= /130221 > > Given the clear policy violation regarding the vote, I request the vote > be canceled. I would also recommend to withdraw the RFC in favor of > Gina=E2=80=99s - but that is your decision as the RFC author of course. > > Best regards > Tim D=C3=BCsterhus > --000000000000acec53064c1decf7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


Thank you for your feedback.

I have added an "Absta= in" option as well.

Bukka=C2=A0also shared a suggestion r= egarding this RFC.
Please check the latest message here:
https://g= ithub.com/php/php-src/pull/20971#issuecomment-3923902448


On Tu= e, Mar 3, 2026 at 5:26=E2=80=AFPM Tim D=C3=BCsterhus <tim@bastelstu.be> wrote:
Hi

Am 2026-03-03= 09:37, schrieb Muhammed Arshid KV:
> This is to announce the opening= of the vote for the *ValueError
> Conversions
> RFC*.
><= br>> RFC:=C2=A0=C2=A0https://wiki.php.net/rf= c/php86_valueerror_conversions
> Discussion thread:=C2=A0=C2=A0https://externals.io/message/130090
>
> The vote wi= ll be open for 2 weeks (and a few hours), closing on March
> 17th
= > at midnight UTC.

There are no voting options available in the R= FC for reasons that are
unclear to me. Looking at the page=E2=80=99s sou= rce code I don't see an obvious
mistake with regard to the markup fo= r the voting doodle.

I'm however noting that the options do not = include the =E2=80=9CAbstain=E2=80=9D option
that is required per our po= licy:
https://gi= thub.com/php/policies/blob/main/feature-proposals.rst#required-majority=

I am also unable to find an =E2=80=9CIntent to Vote=E2=80=9D announ= cement for this RFC
in the mailing list archives and the corresponding d= iscussion thread is
only 12 days old as of now (which is less than the c= ooldown period of 14
days after the initial proposal). As such the start= of the vote is
violating our current policy in multiple points.

= I also don't think that this RFC has properly been discussed and I don&= #39;t
feel it is productive to individually vote on every case of proper= ly
validating input parameters. This warrants a generic decision, such a= s
the one proposed by Gina in her =E2=80=9CExempt input type and value v= alidation
from BC Break policy=E2=80=9D RFC:=C2=A0ht= tps://news-web.php.net/php.internals/130221

Given the clear poli= cy violation regarding the vote, I request the vote
be canceled. I would= also recommend to withdraw the RFC in favor of
Gina=E2=80=99s - but tha= t is your decision as the RFC author of course.

Best regards
Tim = D=C3=BCsterhus

On Tue, Mar 3, 2026 = at 5:26=E2=80=AFPM Tim D=C3=BCsterhus <tim@bastelstu.be> wrote:
Hi

Am 2026-03-03 09:37, schrieb Muhammed Arshid KV:
> This is to announce the opening of the vote for the *ValueError
> Conversions
> RFC*.
>
> RFC:=C2=A0 https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php86_= valueerror_conversions
> Discussion thread:=C2=A0 https://externals.io/message/130090=
>
> The vote will be open for 2 weeks (and a few hours), closing on March =
> 17th
> at midnight UTC.

There are no voting options available in the RFC for reasons that are
unclear to me. Looking at the page=E2=80=99s source code I don't see an= obvious
mistake with regard to the markup for the voting doodle.

I'm however noting that the options do not include the =E2=80=9CAbstain= =E2=80=9D option
that is required per our policy:
https://github.com/= php/policies/blob/main/feature-proposals.rst#required-majority

I am also unable to find an =E2=80=9CIntent to Vote=E2=80=9D announcement f= or this RFC
in the mailing list archives and the corresponding discussion thread is only 12 days old as of now (which is less than the cooldown period of 14 days after the initial proposal). As such the start of the vote is
violating our current policy in multiple points.

I also don't think that this RFC has properly been discussed and I don&= #39;t
feel it is productive to individually vote on every case of properly
validating input parameters. This warrants a generic decision, such as
the one proposed by Gina in her =E2=80=9CExempt input type and value valida= tion
from BC Break policy=E2=80=9D RFC: https://news-web.php= .net/php.internals/130221

Given the clear policy violation regarding the vote, I request the vote be canceled. I would also recommend to withdraw the RFC in favor of
Gina=E2=80=99s - but that is your decision as the RFC author of course.

Best regards
Tim D=C3=BCsterhus
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