Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:130009 X-Original-To: internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: internals@lists.php.net Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (php-smtp4.php.net [45.112.84.5]) by lists.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2AF11A00BC for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2026 14:57:13 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=php.net; s=mail; t=1770217038; bh=TR2eal8DiwWd+DI3OQ65Lg+nr2inl3YEFdanvkh7LR4=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=KdbxNc9cDKHKBPMQdSZkAbCsfwEPUtAK22ZaWKGwEu2qjgAFvqiRAPMr8jBz1chWH byTLR6uAfs7zVgKfb+sWSz/lBucPgJsfKpsaNi2SSfzIqZgZJDWoGhYQCYz9mWRxcf VTNLR57OLZ+a01xrG7lR/G9f2TSE3Cdhtl2G+1IlUjrr6mS0d1+y3gh/geuYtQZq31 byMkSAPQKyzTaSFUzKRsu2pQUYYS8xeErGCPW1fBRVN3j7L4sM0usuBryAFbn8TpH2 aMA7WidlMt0V4gkEOU6B37TSChrFGGHaFTrLF7QbHIiYKedBISvBkKZJftAQW6ELXD MNFatpmBtYhPA== Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77C48180074 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2026 14:57:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.1 (2024-03-25) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,DMARC_PASS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.1 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-4396.protonmail.ch (mail-4396.protonmail.ch [185.70.43.96]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2026 14:57:16 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gpb.moe; s=protonmail2; t=1770217028; x=1770476228; bh=TR2eal8DiwWd+DI3OQ65Lg+nr2inl3YEFdanvkh7LR4=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=kq/j2Rmv7eyIeMTOht8UPjMbDYzS8uLkz3pg6wOxjUA6Eq13q2JmwR3VEaVC5cv+z bsrkqJhWygXn06RLMwnGHVFRylAwLt39u5yedfW0WqF5MwWZNSFQoFXC6wuGvVKJPs QVLoOglHChh8TKWGrCl0TsosBz5bBpr221XRRbn722B3GV/MZ5idSQYM/G+h2aUys0 p4JFG+TGWy1Qdz1zPPQoST7wheevSrU/FOctORcOwl695ZMP7s2b0lsy4PfnQwZoZ1 1liNqny59T05U81Le/Db0nYzqw6t6twIv6MdAO4hFo0SFDbqrJSfDIKVu/cXQcOp1l 6lZikj57214cg== Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2026 14:57:02 +0000 To: Larry Garfield Cc: php internals Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [Vote] Add form feed as a whitespace character in trim, ltrim and rtrim Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <9310fbfc-a7bc-44df-beac-5a46d6b14f61@app.fastmail.com> References: <4deea2df.a2a0.19be6247b75.Coremail.lamentxu@163.com> <20260130003750.5CA2A1A00BD@lists.php.net> <886205c77a8fdf08f4ddfb28b7605e51@bastelstu.be> <20260204011605.D6E871A00BD@lists.php.net> <9310fbfc-a7bc-44df-beac-5a46d6b14f61@app.fastmail.com> Feedback-ID: 96993444:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: f6f15f3f88b68c5e5ec1558cc73918b563133526 Precedence: list list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: List-Id: x-ms-reactions: disallow MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internals@gpb.moe ("Gina P. Banyard") On Wednesday, 4 February 2026 at 14:42, Larry Garfield wrote: >=20 > Where as I would, because we catch flack every version for how many "smal= l" BC breaks we have. It hinders people's ability to upgrade and generates = bad PR for PHP routinely. >=20 > Majors exist for a reason. PHP does not follow SemVer. Minor BC breaks are accepted via our policy. And as Tim said, waiting multiple years for a consistency fix (which frankl= y in my opinion this is more a bug fix) is completely ludicrous. But as usual none of this would be a problem if we didn't bundle 14 000 ext= ensions and the standard library being so massive and shoved into a single = extension. As then, the core language and extension APIs could evolve at different pac= es, and thus following SemVer would at least be a potential consideration. Best regards, Gina P. Banyard