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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] True Async RFC 1.7
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From: rob@bottled.codes ("Rob Landers")

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On Thu, Jan 22, 2026, at 19:11, Edmond Dantes wrote:
> > I think doing such a large project, mainly by
> > yourself as the sole designed and developer, is doomed to fail. It i=
sn't
> > something I would be confident about voting for, at least.
>=20
> One of the reasons this project doesn=E2=80=99t have more programmers =
is that
> nobody believes it will be accepted.
> In other words, your fear of voting for the project is the reason
> there are no developers.

I don=E2=80=99t think that=E2=80=99s universally true, or at least it ha=
sn=E2=80=99t been my experience.

I=E2=80=99ve worked on plenty of projects that ultimately failed, and th=
e risk of failure itself isn=E2=80=99t a blocker for me. I=E2=80=99ve re=
ad through the code, I understand the design, and I=E2=80=99ve worked on=
 schedulers and low-level systems before. From a purely technical standp=
oint, this is work I=E2=80=99d normally be very interested in contributi=
ng to.

When I personally stepped back, it wasn=E2=80=99t due to doubts about ac=
ceptance, but due to the way feedback and collaboration have played out =
so far. In both on-list and off-list discussions, I didn=E2=80=99t see c=
oncrete feedback being meaningfully incorporated, even at a small or inc=
remental level. That made it hard for me to gauge whether collaboration =
would actually influence the direction of the project.

I want to be clear about something important, though: this isn=E2=80=99t=
 a lack of interest in asynchronous capabilities in PHP, nor a lack of w=
illingness to help. I think many people would like to see PHP move forwa=
rd here. But for a project of this size and impact, contributors need to=
 feel that concerns are being heard, trade-offs are being explored toget=
her, and iteration is genuinely collaborative.

If the process moves in that direction, breaking things down, explicitly=
 engaging with criticism, and evolving the design based on shared input,=
 I think you may find that more people are willing to invest time and en=
ergy into it.

=E2=80=94 Rob
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<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title></head><body><div>On Thu, Jan =
22, 2026, at 19:11, Edmond Dantes wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
id=3D"qt" style=3D""><div>&gt; I think doing such a large project, mainl=
y by</div><div>&gt; yourself as the sole designed and developer, is doom=
ed to fail. It isn't</div><div>&gt; something I would be confident about=
 voting for, at least.</div><div><br></div><div>One of the reasons this =
project doesn=E2=80=99t have more programmers is that</div><div>nobody b=
elieves it will be accepted.</div><div>In other words, your fear of voti=
ng for the project is the reason</div><div>there are no developers.</div=
></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don=E2=80=99t think that=E2=80=99s u=
niversally true, or at least it hasn=E2=80=99t been my experience.</div>=
<div><br></div><div>I=E2=80=99ve worked on plenty of projects that ultim=
ately failed, and the risk of failure itself isn=E2=80=99t a blocker for=
 me. I=E2=80=99ve read through the code, I understand the design, and I=E2=
=80=99ve worked on schedulers and low-level systems before. From a purel=
y technical standpoint, this is work I=E2=80=99d normally be very intere=
sted in contributing to.</div><div><br></div><div>When I personally step=
ped back, it wasn=E2=80=99t due to doubts about acceptance, but due to t=
he way feedback and collaboration have played out so far. In both on-lis=
t and off-list discussions, I didn=E2=80=99t see concrete feedback being=
 meaningfully incorporated, even at a small or incremental level. That m=
ade it hard for me to gauge whether collaboration would actually influen=
ce the direction of the project.</div><div><br></div><div>I want to be c=
lear about something important, though: this isn=E2=80=99t a lack of int=
erest in asynchronous capabilities in PHP, nor a lack of willingness to =
help. I think many people would like to see PHP move forward here. But f=
or a project of this size and impact, contributors need to feel that con=
cerns are being heard, trade-offs are being explored together, and itera=
tion is genuinely collaborative.</div><div><br></div><div>If the process=
 moves in that direction, breaking things down, explicitly engaging with=
 criticism, and evolving the design based on shared input, I think you m=
ay find that more people are willing to invest time and energy into it.<=
br></div><div><br></div><div id=3D"sig121229152">=E2=80=94 Rob</div></bo=
dy></html>
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