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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2026 10:22:07 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] True Async RFC 1.7
To: Edmond Dantes <edmond.ht@gmail.com>
Cc: "Rowan Tommins [IMSoP]" <imsop.php@rwec.co.uk>, PHP Internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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From: petk@php.net (Peter Kokot)

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Da.

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Peter Kokot

On Thu, Jan 22, 2026, 10:07 Edmond Dantes <edmond.ht@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello.
>
> > Indeed, nobody does, and that is a problem. It's not an insurmountable
> problem though: we just have to bootstrap our way towards one.
> Even if a project is governed democratically, a decision-making
> hierarchy must exist.
>
> I have nothing against development processes. I don=E2=80=99t consider th=
em
> bureaucracy. I consider it bureaucracy when there is an attempt to
> imitate development processes.
> Bureaucracy is the creation of an illusion of work, which should be
> avoided. A good decision-making flow, on the other hand, is a
> completely different matter.
>
> Theoretically, I could of course create an RFC to change the PHP
> development processes, including the voting principles.
> It=E2=80=99s "possible", but it would most likely be extremely inefficien=
t.
>
> I currently have two options.
>
> 1. I can run a vote with several questions to find out what people
> actually want.
> 2. Help with implementing changes to the decision-making processes, if
> there is such a desire.
>
> ----
> Best regards, Ed
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Da.<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr"><div>--</div><div>Peter Kokot</div></div></div></div><br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_a=
ttr">On Thu, Jan 22, 2026, 10:07 Edmond Dantes &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:edmond=
.ht@gmail.com">edmond.ht@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex">Hello.<br>
<br>
&gt; Indeed, nobody does, and that is a problem. It&#39;s not an insurmount=
able problem though: we just have to bootstrap our way towards one.<br>
Even if a project is governed democratically, a decision-making<br>
hierarchy must exist.<br>
<br>
I have nothing against development processes. I don=E2=80=99t consider them=
<br>
bureaucracy. I consider it bureaucracy when there is an attempt to<br>
imitate development processes.<br>
Bureaucracy is the creation of an illusion of work, which should be<br>
avoided. A good decision-making flow, on the other hand, is a<br>
completely different matter.<br>
<br>
Theoretically, I could of course create an RFC to change the PHP<br>
development processes, including the voting principles.<br>
It=E2=80=99s &quot;possible&quot;, but it would most likely be extremely in=
efficient.<br>
<br>
I currently have two options.<br>
<br>
1. I can run a vote with several questions to find out what people<br>
actually want.<br>
2. Help with implementing changes to the decision-making processes, if<br>
there is such a desire.<br>
<br>
----<br>
Best regards, Ed<br>
</blockquote></div>

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