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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2026 23:03:42 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] True Async RFC 1.7
To: Edmond Dantes <edmond.ht@gmail.com>
Cc: Deleu <deleugyn@gmail.com>, php internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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From: bukka@php.net (Jakub Zelenka)

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> I can once again propose having two votes and an experimental mode.
>

I don't like this experimental model or introducing API stability levels as
it is confusing for users. It requires extra checking for users to do for
each API (no one usually does it and with AI it will be even more
problematic because it might not tell that the generated code uses
experimental API). This would just become pain for user and I don't think
it would be good for PHP.


> The first vote would be on the core principles of the language=E2=80=99s
> development for the next 5=E2=80=9310 years.
>

That can be already done but it will never guarantee that the second vote
will succeed. People even might change their mind between votes so I'm not
sure it's really useful. It might be easier to just ask people after the
vote why they voted no. I think most of them will tell you if you politely
ask them privately.

Kind regards,

Jakub


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