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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2026 15:01:43 +0300
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Add BackedEnum::values()
To: =?UTF-8?Q?Tim_D=C3=BCsterhus?= <tim@bastelstu.be>
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From: mikhail.d.savin@gmail.com (Mikhail Savin)

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=D0=B2=D1=81, 18 =D1=8F=D0=BD=D0=B2. 2026=E2=80=AF=D0=B3. =D0=B2 14:08, Tim=
 D=C3=BCsterhus <tim@bastelstu.be>:

> Hi Mikhail,
>
> On 1/18/26 08:31, Mikhail Savin wrote:
> > This starts the voting phase for the RFC =E2=80=9CAdd BackedEnum::value=
s()=E2=80=9D.
>
> The start of the vote is very surprising to me. I did not feel that a 12
> email-discussion was sufficient to properly evaluate a long-term plan
> that stretches until PHP 9.0.
>
> It is also in violation of the policy, which requires the discussion to
> be recent (the last email in the discussion thread is from 53 days ago,
> which requires a 7 day cooldown after a restart of the discussion) and
> also an last call =E2=80=9CIntent to Vote=E2=80=9D announcement (at least=
 2 days before
> the vote) to make sure that the RFC is fresh in the minds of the voters:
>
>
> https://github.com/php/policies/blob/main/feature-proposals.rst#discussio=
n-phase
>
> I'm also noticing that you made a number of significant changes
> (including increasing the version number) to the RFC text just today
> which folks did not yet have the chance to review and discuss before the
> vote:
>
>
> https://wiki.php.net/rfc/add_values_method_to_backed_enum?do=3Ddiff&rev2%=
5B0%5D=3D1763285697&rev2%5B1%5D=3D1768720119&difftype=3Dsidebyside
>
> =E2=80=A6 all while there still are =E2=80=9COpen Issues=E2=80=9D listed =
in the RFC. These
> should be resolved before the vote.
>
> I therefore request the vote to be canceled for now and discussion
> restarted based on the updated version 1.2 of the RFC.
>
> Best regards
> Tim D=C3=BCsterhus
>

Hi, Tim

Thanks for the detailed feedback

I'll close voting and continue discussion thread then

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote g=
mail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=D0=B2=D1=81, 1=
8 =D1=8F=D0=BD=D0=B2. 2026=E2=80=AF=D0=B3. =D0=B2 14:08, Tim D=C3=BCsterhus=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tim@bastelstu.be">tim@bastelstu.be</a>&gt;:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi Mikhail,<br>
<br>
On 1/18/26 08:31, Mikhail Savin wrote:<br>
&gt; This starts the voting phase for the RFC =E2=80=9CAdd BackedEnum::valu=
es()=E2=80=9D.<br>
<br>
The start of the vote is very surprising to me. I did not feel that a 12 <b=
r>
email-discussion was sufficient to properly evaluate a long-term plan <br>
that stretches until PHP 9.0.<br>
<br>
It is also in violation of the policy, which requires the discussion to <br=
>
be recent (the last email in the discussion thread is from 53 days ago, <br=
>
which requires a 7 day cooldown after a restart of the discussion) and <br>
also an last call =E2=80=9CIntent to Vote=E2=80=9D announcement (at least 2=
 days before <br>
the vote) to make sure that the RFC is fresh in the minds of the voters:<br=
>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://github.com/php/policies/blob/main/feature-proposals.rst#=
discussion-phase" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/p=
hp/policies/blob/main/feature-proposals.rst#discussion-phase</a><br>
<br>
I&#39;m also noticing that you made a number of significant changes <br>
(including increasing the version number) to the RFC text just today <br>
which folks did not yet have the chance to review and discuss before the <b=
r>
vote:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://wiki.php.net/rfc/add_values_method_to_backed_enum?do=3Dd=
iff&amp;rev2%5B0%5D=3D1763285697&amp;rev2%5B1%5D=3D1768720119&amp;difftype=
=3Dsidebyside" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://wiki.php.net/rf=
c/add_values_method_to_backed_enum?do=3Ddiff&amp;rev2%5B0%5D=3D1763285697&a=
mp;rev2%5B1%5D=3D1768720119&amp;difftype=3Dsidebyside</a><br>
<br>
=E2=80=A6 all while there still are =E2=80=9COpen Issues=E2=80=9D listed in=
 the RFC. These <br>
should be resolved before the vote.<br>
<br>
I therefore request the vote to be canceled for now and discussion <br>
restarted based on the updated version 1.2 of the RFC.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
Tim D=C3=BCsterhus<br></blockquote><div><br></div><p>Hi, Tim</p><p>Thanks f=
or the detailed feedback</p><p></p><p>I&#39;ll close voting and continue di=
scussion thread then</p><p></p><div>=C2=A0</div></div></div>

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