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I think so too. > I don=E2=80=99t know how much has been discussed off list and/or how many= voters are involved off list. There were almost no discussions apart from the one on INTERNALS. I mean, there were no discussions that I=E2=80=99m aware of. I don=E2=80=99t know what to do about a situation where PHP developers are surprised to learn that their language has supported transparent asynchrony as a core paradigm for several years already. And instead of discussing the important details of the RFC, all the effort goes into =E2=80=9Cbasic questions=E2=80=9D that aren=E2=80=99t wort= h discussing at all. It would be wonderful if there were a dedicated person whom everyone would listen to carefully and who could explain the basic questions privately. Most likely, this approach would solve many problems. --- Best Regards, Ed