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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2025 15:41:20 +0100
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Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP True Async RFC Stage 5
To: Edmond Dantes <edmond.ht@gmail.com>
Cc: php internals <internals@lists.php.net>, Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com>
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From: bukka@php.net (Jakub Zelenka)

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Hi,

On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 11:44=E2=80=AFAM Edmond Dantes <edmond.ht@gmail.com=
> wrote:

> Hello, Jakub.
>
> > It means there should be a PR implementing exactly what is in this RFC
> (minimal stripped version of your current implementation) IMO.
>
> This RFC includes not only the API, but also the Scheduler, Reactor,
> and non-blocking versions of PHP functions. Removing Scope from the
> public classes doesn=E2=80=99t really change that.
> Are you saying that some other implementation is needed as well?
>
>
I think it would be good to see the implementation that can cover the
currently proposed API and try to strip it as much as possible so it
doesn't contain much more than that. We saw that PR for the async API was
already quite big and we didn't really get any agreement there partially
also because there was no user of that and it was not possible to have any
tests for it (without writing them in C). So what I'm thinking is that if
some minimal version that implements just this (e.g. reactor can be just
dummy because there is no io atm. and other things can be stripped too),
then the voters would get better idea what they are dealing with and could
even try it out.

Cheers

Jakub

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi,</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_co=
ntainer"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Nov 13, 2025 at 11:4=
4=E2=80=AFAM Edmond Dantes &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:edmond.ht@gmail.com">edmon=
d.ht@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex">Hello, Jakub.<br>
<br>
&gt; It means there should be a PR implementing exactly what is in this RFC=
 (minimal stripped version of your current implementation) IMO.<br>
<br>
This RFC includes not only the API, but also the Scheduler, Reactor,<br>
and non-blocking versions of PHP functions. Removing Scope from the<br>
public classes doesn=E2=80=99t really change that.<br>
Are you saying that some other implementation is needed as well?<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think it would be good to see the im=
plementation that can cover the currently proposed API and try to strip it =
as much as possible so it doesn&#39;t contain much more than that. We saw t=
hat PR for the async API was already quite big and we didn&#39;t really get=
 any agreement there partially also because there was no user of that and i=
t was not possible to have any tests for it (without writing them in C). So=
 what I&#39;m thinking is that if some minimal version that implements just=
 this (e.g. reactor can be just dummy because there is no io atm. and other=
 things can be stripped too), then the voters would get better idea what th=
ey are dealing with and could even try it out.</div><div><br></div><div>Che=
ers</div><div><br></div><div>Jakub</div></div></div>

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