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[178.119.85.231]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ffacd0b85a97d-429eb403800sm796302f8f.7.2025.11.05.13.02.57 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 05 Nov 2025 13:02:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 22:02:57 +0100 Precedence: list list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: List-Id: x-ms-reactions: disallow MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Context Managers To: internals@lists.php.net References: Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: dossche.niels@gmail.com (Niels Dossche) Hi Is the keyword "with" reserved, semi-reserved, ... ? Asking because I've seen global "with" functions before, like in Laravel for example. What really is a footgun of the resource type is that they can represent an illegal state. This proposal leans into having close functions (or equivalent) for resources/objects that make it possible to represent such illegal state; something I'm fundamentally against. As an aside, under "Rejected Features", there's a false statement: > Destructors are not always called immediately when the refcount hits zero. Kind regards Niels