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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2025 14:34:28 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC][Discussion] Policy release process update
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From: bukka@php.net (Jakub Zelenka)

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On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 2:23=E2=80=AFPM Tim D=C3=BCsterhus <tim@bastelstu.be=
> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Am 2025-11-02 13:38, schrieb Jakub Zelenka:
> > Just wanted to give heads up that I plan to open voting tomorrow.
>
> I'm seeing there were some additional comments on the GitHub PR:
>
> https://github.com/php/policies/pull/19#pullrequestreview-3413485445
>
> As I had noted on the PR before
> (https://github.com/php/policies/pull/19#discussion_r2425684839) PRs are
> a terrible medium of discussion. And especially when the list is not
> actively kept in loop, folks will inevitably miss out on some of the
> discussion. That's why I mostly refused to discuss my policy RFCs on
> GitHub, instead asking folks to come to the mailing list - which is the
> accepted official discussion medium of RFCs - to have everything in a
> single location.
>
> I appreciate that you provided plenty of heads up for folks to review
> the text after the initial (long) GitHub discussion, but after your
> announcement from https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/128819 I would
> kindly request that the ongoing discussion is kept on the list so that
> everyone has a chance to see it.


I think GH is good to shape the initial policy as it's easier to comment on
specific parts there but agree that the main discussion should happen on
the list once announced. But you need to ask the ones that are commenting
there. I was just replaying...

Kind regards,

Jakub

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Nov 4, 2025 at 2:23=E2=80=AFPM Ti=
m D=C3=BCsterhus &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tim@bastelstu.be">tim@bastelstu.be</=
a>&gt; wrote:</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hi<br>
<br>
Am 2025-11-02 13:38, schrieb Jakub Zelenka:<br>
&gt; Just wanted to give heads up that I plan to open voting tomorrow.<br>
<br>
I&#39;m seeing there were some additional comments on the GitHub PR:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://github.com/php/policies/pull/19#pullrequestreview-341348=
5445" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/php/policies/=
pull/19#pullrequestreview-3413485445</a><br>
<br>
As I had noted on the PR before <br>
(<a href=3D"https://github.com/php/policies/pull/19#discussion_r2425684839"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/php/policies/pull/=
19#discussion_r2425684839</a>) PRs are <br>
a terrible medium of discussion. And especially when the list is not <br>
actively kept in loop, folks will inevitably miss out on some of the <br>
discussion. That&#39;s why I mostly refused to discuss my policy RFCs on <b=
r>
GitHub, instead asking folks to come to the mailing list - which is the <br=
>
accepted official discussion medium of RFCs - to have everything in a <br>
single location.<br>
<br>
I appreciate that you provided plenty of heads up for folks to review <br>
the text after the initial (long) GitHub discussion, but after your <br>
announcement from <a href=3D"https://news-web.php.net/php.internals/128819"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://news-web.php.net/php.internal=
s/128819</a> I would <br>
kindly request that the ongoing discussion is kept on the list so that <br>
everyone has a chance to see it.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think GH=
 is good to shape the initial policy as it&#39;s easier to comment on speci=
fic parts there but agree that the main discussion should happen on the lis=
t once announced. But you need to ask the ones that are commenting there. I=
 was just replaying...</div><div><br></div><div>Kind regards,</div><div><br=
></div><div>Jakub=C2=A0</div></div></div>

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