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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: alec@alec.pl (Aleksander Machniak) On 24.10.2025 09:07, Alexandre Daubois wrote: > Please find the details here: > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/nullable-not-nullable-cast-operator I see two issues here, and I'm not sure how I feel about them. 1. The new operators not only change how NULL is handled, but also add validation rules. So, their name should be changed, maybe "nullable validating cast". I guess "strict" word would not work as they aren't really strict. 2. They are supposed to have behavior in line with function arguments, but they don't react to strict_types. -- Aleksander Machniak Kolab Groupware Developer [https://kolab.org] Roundcube Webmail Developer [https://roundcube.net] ---------------------------------------------------- PGP: 19359DC1 # Blog: https://kolabian.wordpress.com