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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2025 16:59:14 +0700
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Deprecate PEAR and recommend Composer
To: james@asgrim.com
Cc: "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@gmx.de>, PHP Internals List <internals@lists.php.net>
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From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

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Hi James,




On Fri, Oct 10, 2025, 3:29 PM James Titcumb <titcumbjames@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 at 21:39, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>
>> Apparently, this RFC has been withdrawn in the meantime.  I would like
>> to know why. :)
>
>
> I absolutely agree with you - a discussion took place on the PHP
> Foundation slack. I raised a concern that it should be discussed here on
> the list for transparency. I am frustrated that it was not.
>
> The short version of that discussion is that PEAR is maintained by someone
> else; the PEAR group apparently is separate from the PHP group, as I
> understand it.
>


I don't remember the reason back then but it was basically maintained by
core devs at some point, including myself.

I also wanted to propose that long ago but the composer's team disagree as
they wanted to remain fully independent. It may still be the case (you
surely ask them).

also given there is PIE now, this was theast reason to keep pear/pecl
installer around, suggesting to use composer/pie cannot hurt and keep
composer independent.

a removal/fade it way could be a future next step.


>>
>>
>>

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<div dir=3D"auto"><div><div>Hi James,</div><div><br></div><br><br><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Fri, Oct 10, 2025, 3:29 PM James Titcumb &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ti=
tcumbjames@gmail.com">titcumbjames@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><block=
quote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><span><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr=
">On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 at 21:39, Christoph M. Becker wrote:<br></div><blockqu=
ote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px=
 solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Apparently, this RFC has been withdrawn in the meantime.=C2=A0 I would like=
<br>
to know why. :)</blockquote></div><br></div></span><div>I absolutely=20
agree with=C2=A0you - a discussion took place on the PHP Foundation slack. =
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raised a concern that it should be discussed here on the list for=20
transparency. I am frustrated that it was not.</div><div><br></div><div>The
 short version of that discussion is that PEAR is maintained by someone=20
else; the PEAR group apparently is separate from the PHP group, as I=20
understand it. </div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D=
"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I don&#39;t =
remember the reason back then but it was basically maintained by core devs =
at some point, including myself.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">I also wanted to propose that long ago but the composer&#39;s tea=
m disagree as they wanted to remain fully independent. It may still be the =
case (you surely ask them).</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"au=
to">also given there is PIE now, this was theast reason to keep pear/pecl i=
nstaller around, suggesting to use composer/pie cannot hurt and keep compos=
er independent.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">a =
removal/fade it way could be a future next step.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br=
></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>
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