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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2025 09:25:17 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Discussion] Deprecate PEAR and recommend Composer
To: "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@gmx.de>
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From: titcumbjames@gmail.com (James Titcumb)

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On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 at 21:39, Christoph M. Becker wrote:

> Apparently, this RFC has been withdrawn in the meantime.  I would like
> to know why. :)


I absolutely agree with you - a discussion took place on the PHP Foundation
slack. I raised a concern that it should be discussed here on the list for
transparency. I am frustrated that it was not.

The short version of that discussion is that PEAR is maintained by someone
else; the PEAR group apparently is separate from the PHP group, as I
understand it. The only thing related to PHP/internals is the fact PEAR is
bundled with PHP and that the PEAR website is a subdomain pear.php.net.

I withdrew the RFC because it seems this is a can of worms.

On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 at 21:39, Christoph M. Becker <cmbecker69@gmx.de> wrote:

> On 09.10.2025 at 12:28, James Titcumb wrote:
>
> > Presenting the RFC for deprecating PEAR and recommending Composer as the
> > recommended
> > PHP package installer:
> >
> > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecate_pear_recommend_composer
> >
> > Plan to move to vote on or shortly after 24th October all being well.
>
> Apparently, this RFC has been withdrawn in the meantime.  I would like
> to know why. :)
>
> Christoph
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D"gmail-im"=
><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On T=
hu, 9 Oct 2025 at 21:39, Christoph M. Becker wrote:<br></div><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid=
 rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Apparently, this RFC has been withdrawn in the meantime.=C2=A0 I would like=
<br>
to know why. :)</blockquote></div><br></div></span><div>I absolutely=20
agree with=C2=A0you - a discussion took place on the PHP Foundation slack. =
I=20
raised a concern that it should be discussed here on the list for=20
transparency. I am frustrated that it was not.</div><div><br></div><div>The
 short version of that discussion is that PEAR is maintained by someone=20
else; the PEAR group apparently is separate from the PHP group, as I=20
understand it. The only thing related to PHP/internals is the fact PEAR=20
is bundled with PHP and that the PEAR website is a subdomain <a href=3D"htt=
p://pear.php.net" target=3D"_blank">pear.php.net</a>.</div><div><br></div><=
div>I withdrew the RFC because it seems this is a can of worms.</div></div>=
</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, 9 Oct 2025 at 21:39, Christoph M. Bec=
ker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cmbecker69@gmx.de">cmbecker69@gmx.de</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 09.10.2025=
 at 12:28, James Titcumb wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; Presenting the RFC for deprecating PEAR and recommending Composer as t=
he<br>
&gt; recommended<br>
&gt; PHP package installer:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecate_pear_recommend_composer"=
 rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecate_pe=
ar_recommend_composer</a><br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Plan to move to vote on or shortly after 24th October all being well.<=
br>
<br>
Apparently, this RFC has been withdrawn in the meantime.=C2=A0 I would like=
<br>
to know why. :)<br>
<br>
Christoph<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div>

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