Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:128462 X-Original-To: internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: internals@lists.php.net Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (php-smtp4.php.net [45.112.84.5]) by lists.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A386A1A00BC for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2025 13:04:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=php.net; s=mail; t=1755090146; bh=NwsvyNnxxKyD2PYtQByJkT89uA6WzyIAGmQAFwGoIrM=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=nY8JlAwnARMK72xl0MKyjirGPc14iWpu8RtcykSoBKsdLMSSPTxiDQWjng0hSmVc1 TC77+09o5fPRBejuONMHYwsS2xYqD4RUIKYV0OldXJ9xxTHVsWP9RRiABdwiYQMhRu rdRbqG4jGKeAmiIV85skzmpe8C8Bck80gOIYhv907rGAYJIyxzkw8RrCqn967oLhA8 vr26zVncHlHaG3BFc0l3/aFygdYJ3Ln2oPnEhIY9eXXwISHbDRBnKaTICndVUMYxdv /p4t1+uBJsHfo1Z5UFau0y0oixcTQHdAyW/jOqs+KDg1c48Ej8ye+sV6d3qfop5+rw L3KNaS9DNvlZg== Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C62B01801E0 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2025 13:02:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.1 (2024-03-25) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,DMARC_PASS,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.1 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from chrono.xqk7.com (chrono.xqk7.com [176.9.45.72]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2025 13:02:21 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bastelstu.be; s=mail20171119; t=1755090237; bh=iLsSMT7i71spvEH4aIXmDO1qnSmZ0rFQT++U7k2rPiA=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:from:to:cc:subject:message-id; b=QmZaNIAbyNQuqFBOdVu7ep4lNqXnTuS8TgwgjYkpF1FLb/0iQ96M+eXQjUET9rSiF IgYWs834GqpJrHm52fxSy+2dLD/A5bp9Kt1oKO/ME+7PbkoRf7NrIsVbeTrBIhGliI CeY4mh02gMtynOyx6oAjrq3njc0ud4x6SMc0uCl5jDY3qZXLaUlvt2jvH/bcuPgydC oeh48IEAL4ZoTsYlHEBUIa0USl/JpbMkHJuY/hpIDfRTJpQChy+VJgMjIhsCRzMIp0 SU9e2IYFNy5PPCbeR7XO6Rz/2kkEKe4BxD4tAw1QUWe6+sJVW+b8vCLtKw4srBw9dQ /V37c38U1cQhw== Message-ID: <0bbde972-96c3-483d-8e92-e5d7d342ec02@bastelstu.be> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 15:03:56 +0200 Precedence: list list-help: list-post: List-Id: x-ms-reactions: disallow MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs To: Derick Rethans , internals@lists.php.net, Larry Garfield References: <7afc0ac1-3446-459a-a67a-e616afe750f6@app.fastmail.com> <500A1C30-B9C1-44C0-9779-F872DD573490@php.net> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <500A1C30-B9C1-44C0-9779-F872DD573490@php.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: tim@bastelstu.be (=?UTF-8?Q?Tim_D=C3=BCsterhus?=) Hi On 7/27/25 15:43, Derick Rethans wrote: >> That is quite verbose and requires two assumptions to be made, making it hard to follow when not already knowing how STV works. I think it will confuse more than it helps. > > Please don't add abstention to STV votes. If you select fewer options than you can, that is already an abstention. > > STV is really only used for secondaries (and release managers) anyway, so I would rather see this not get more complicated. Having an “overall” abstention for secondary STV votes still makes sense me (e.g. within the first widget only or as a separate single-option widget to indicate abstention) to indicate that you do not want to participate in the ranking at all. I also believe that the current phrasing of the PR is good with that. A vote that is decided by STV still is a single vote, even if it consists of multiple voting widgets. Best regards Tim Düsterhus