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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2025 11:00:29 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [VOTE] Deprecations for PHP 8.5
To: "Gina P. Banyard" <internals@gpb.moe>
Cc: PHP internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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From: nicolas.grekas+php@gmail.com (Nicolas Grekas)

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Le ven. 8 ao=C3=BBt 2025 =C3=A0 22:10, Gina P. Banyard <internals@gpb.moe> =
a =C3=A9crit :

> On Friday, 25 July 2025 at 13:56, Gina P. Banyard <internals@gpb.moe>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello internals,
> >
> > As Tim announced a few days ago, I've opened the votes for the
> deprecations:
> > https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_5
> >
> > Please remember that the wiki is only capable to handle a single vote a=
t
> a time,
> > so please submit each vote you intend on casting individually.
> >
>
> Hello internals,
>
> After two weeks of voting, I closed the votes of the "Deprecations for PH=
P
> 8.5" RFC at 19:45 UTC.
>
> The following proposals have been accepted:
>
> - Deprecate semicolon after case in switch statement (22 yay, 10 nay,
> 68.8%)
> - Deprecate non-standard cast names (32 yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Deprecate backticks as an alias for shell_exec (21 yay, 8 nay, 72.4%)
> - Deprecate the __sleep() and __wakeup() magic methods (18 yay, 9 nay,
> 66.7%)
> - Deprecate using values null as an array offset and when calling
> array_key_exists() (25 yay, 3 nay, 89.3%)
> - Deprecate __debugInfo() returning null (22 yay, 5 nay, 81.5%)
> - Deprecate constant redeclaration (31 yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Deprecate closure binding issues (29 yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Enact follow-up phase of the "Path to Saner Increment/Decrement
> operators" RFC (23 yay, 4 nay, 85.2%)
> - Deprecate the report_memleaks INI directive (23 yay, 2 nay, 92.0%)
> - Deprecate the register_argc_argv INI directive (27 yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Remove disable_classes INI setting (26 yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Deprecate Reflection*::setAccessible() (24 yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Deprecate ReflectionClass::getConstant() for missing constants (25 yay,
> 0 nay, 100%)
> - Deprecate ReflectionProperty::getDefaultValue() for properties without
> default values (21 yay, 2 nay, 89.5%)
> - Deprecate ArrayObject and ArrayIterator with objects (26 yay, 0 nay,
> 100%)
> - Deprecate SplObjectStorage::contains(), SplObjectStorage::attach(), and
> SplObjectStorage::detach() (17 yay, 2 nay, 89.5%)
> - Deprecate passing spl_autoload_call() to spl_autoload_unregister() (23
> yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Deprecate the $exclude_disabled parameter of get_defined_functions() (2=
3
> yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Deprecate passing null to readdir(), rewinddir(), and closedir() (24
> yay, 3 nay, 88.9%)
> - Deprecate passing string which are not one byte long to ord() (20 yay, =
4
> nay, 83.3%)
> - Deprecate passing integers outside the interval [0, 255] to chr() (21
> yay, 1 nay, 95.5%)
> - Formally deprecate socket_set_timeout (22 yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Deprecate the $http_response_header predefined variable (22 yay, 2 nay,
> 91.7%)
> - [ODBC] Remove flags for building against specific drivers directly (16
> yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Remove support for older ODBC versions (15 yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Deprecate PDO's 'uri:' scheme (22 yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Deprecate driver specific PDO constants and methods (17 yay, 6 nay,
> 73.9%)
> - Deprecate Pdo\Pgsql constants related to statement transaction state (1=
7
> yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Deprecate finfo_close() (24 yay, 2 nay, 92.3%)
> - Deprecate xml_parser_free() (22 yay, 2 nay, 91.7%)
> - Deprecate curl_close() (23 yay, 3 nay, 88.5%)
> - Deprecate curl_share_close() (23 yay, 3 nay, 88.5%)
> - Deprecate imagedestroy() (23 yay, 2 nay, 92.0%)
> - Deprecate key_length parameter of openssl_pkey_derive() (24 yay, 0 nay,
> 100%)
> - Deprecate intl.error_level INI setting (22 yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Formally deprecate mysqli_execute() (22 yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Deprecate building ext/ldap against Oracle LDAP (19 yay, 0 nay, 100%)
> - Deprecate the $context parameter for finfo_buffer() (24 yay, 0 nay, 100=
%)
> - Deprecate DATE_RFC7231 and DateTimeInterface::RFC7231 (22 yay, 0 nay,
> 100%)
>
> And the following proposals have been rejected:
>
> - Deprecate attributes applying to multiple class properties/constants (5
> yay, 19 nay, 20.8%)
> - Deprecate ReflectionParameter::allowsNull() (9 yay, 10 nay, 47.4%)
> - Deprecate non-canonical type names for settype() (8 yay, 10 nay, 44.4%)
> - Deprecate FILTER_DEFAULT constant (12 yay, 10 nay, 54.5%)
> - Make $filter parameter mandatory for filter_*() functions (9 yay, 10
> nay, 47.4%)
> - Deprecate PDO::ERRMODE_WARNING error mode (8 yay, 12 nay, 40.0%)
>
> Thank you to everyone that has voted and participated in the discussions.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Gina P. Banyard
>

I=E2=80=99d like to raise some concerns about the decision to deprecate __s=
leep()
and __wakeup().

While I understand the intention behind moving toward __serialize() and
__unserialize(), in practice the migration path is often non-trivial. For
example, in Symfony=E2=80=99s codebase there are numerous cases where switc=
hing
requires deep knowledge of PHP=E2=80=99s serialization format to maintain
compatibility with existing payloads. This is essential so that updated
applications can still communicate with older versions.

For many projects, this will be a significant burden, especially given that
__sleep() and __wakeup() have historically worked well for these use cases.
I=E2=80=99m concerned that the practical cost to the community may outweigh=
 the
benefits, particularly since the rationale for removal seems, at least from
a user=E2=80=99s perspective, debatable.

I don=E2=80=99t know if there is room to reconsider the deprecation, but I =
wanted
to share this perspective from the field.

Cheers,
Nicolas

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote g=
mail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Le=C2=A0ven. 8 =
ao=C3=BBt 2025 =C3=A0=C2=A022:10, Gina P. Banyard &lt;internals@gpb.moe&gt;=
 a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"ma=
rgin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:=
1ex">On Friday, 25 July 2025 at 13:56, Gina P. Banyard &lt;internals@gpb.mo=
e&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; Hello internals,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; As Tim announced a few days ago, I&#39;ve opened the votes for the dep=
recations:<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_5" rel=3D"noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">https://wiki.php.net/rfc/deprecations_php_8_5</a><=
br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Please remember that the wiki is only capable to handle a single vote =
at a time,<br>
&gt; so please submit each vote you intend on casting individually.<br>
&gt; <br>
<br>
Hello internals,<br>
<br>
After two weeks of voting, I closed the votes of the &quot;Deprecations for=
 PHP 8.5&quot; RFC at 19:45 UTC.<br>
<br>
The following proposals have been accepted:<br>
<br>
- Deprecate semicolon after case in switch statement (22 yay, 10 nay, 68.8%=
)<br>
- Deprecate non-standard cast names (32 yay, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Deprecate backticks as an alias for shell_exec (21 yay, 8 nay, 72.4%)<br>
- Deprecate the __sleep() and __wakeup() magic methods (18 yay, 9 nay, 66.7=
%)<br>
- Deprecate using values null as an array offset and when calling array_key=
_exists() (25 yay, 3 nay, 89.3%)<br>
- Deprecate __debugInfo() returning null (22 yay, 5 nay, 81.5%)<br>
- Deprecate constant redeclaration (31 yay, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Deprecate closure binding issues (29 yay, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Enact follow-up phase of the &quot;Path to Saner Increment/Decrement oper=
ators&quot; RFC (23 yay, 4 nay, 85.2%)<br>
- Deprecate the report_memleaks INI directive (23 yay, 2 nay, 92.0%)<br>
- Deprecate the register_argc_argv INI directive (27 yay, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Remove disable_classes INI setting (26 yay, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Deprecate Reflection*::setAccessible() (24 yay, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Deprecate ReflectionClass::getConstant() for missing constants (25 yay, 0=
 nay, 100%)<br>
- Deprecate ReflectionProperty::getDefaultValue() for properties without de=
fault values (21 yay, 2 nay, 89.5%)<br>
- Deprecate ArrayObject and ArrayIterator with objects (26 yay, 0 nay, 100%=
)<br>
- Deprecate SplObjectStorage::contains(), SplObjectStorage::attach(), and S=
plObjectStorage::detach() (17 yay, 2 nay, 89.5%)<br>
- Deprecate passing spl_autoload_call() to spl_autoload_unregister() (23 ya=
y, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Deprecate the $exclude_disabled parameter of get_defined_functions() (23 =
yay, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Deprecate passing null to readdir(), rewinddir(), and closedir() (24 yay,=
 3 nay, 88.9%)<br>
- Deprecate passing string which are not one byte long to ord() (20 yay, 4 =
nay, 83.3%)<br>
- Deprecate passing integers outside the interval [0, 255] to chr() (21 yay=
, 1 nay, 95.5%)<br>
- Formally deprecate socket_set_timeout (22 yay, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Deprecate the $http_response_header predefined variable (22 yay, 2 nay, 9=
1.7%)<br>
- [ODBC] Remove flags for building against specific drivers directly (16 ya=
y, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Remove support for older ODBC versions (15 yay, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Deprecate PDO&#39;s &#39;uri:&#39; scheme (22 yay, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Deprecate driver specific PDO constants and methods (17 yay, 6 nay, 73.9%=
)<br>
- Deprecate Pdo\Pgsql constants related to statement transaction state (17 =
yay, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Deprecate finfo_close() (24 yay, 2 nay, 92.3%)<br>
- Deprecate xml_parser_free() (22 yay, 2 nay, 91.7%)<br>
- Deprecate curl_close() (23 yay, 3 nay, 88.5%)<br>
- Deprecate curl_share_close() (23 yay, 3 nay, 88.5%)<br>
- Deprecate imagedestroy() (23 yay, 2 nay, 92.0%)<br>
- Deprecate key_length parameter of openssl_pkey_derive() (24 yay, 0 nay, 1=
00%)<br>
- Deprecate intl.error_level INI setting (22 yay, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Formally deprecate mysqli_execute() (22 yay, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Deprecate building ext/ldap against Oracle LDAP (19 yay, 0 nay, 100%)<br>
- Deprecate the $context parameter for finfo_buffer() (24 yay, 0 nay, 100%)=
<br>
- Deprecate DATE_RFC7231 and DateTimeInterface::RFC7231 (22 yay, 0 nay, 100=
%)<br>
<br>
And the following proposals have been rejected:<br>
<br>
- Deprecate attributes applying to multiple class properties/constants (5 y=
ay, 19 nay, 20.8%)<br>
- Deprecate ReflectionParameter::allowsNull() (9 yay, 10 nay, 47.4%)<br>
- Deprecate non-canonical type names for settype() (8 yay, 10 nay, 44.4%)<b=
r>
- Deprecate FILTER_DEFAULT constant (12 yay, 10 nay, 54.5%)<br>
- Make $filter parameter mandatory for filter_*() functions (9 yay, 10 nay,=
 47.4%)<br>
- Deprecate PDO::ERRMODE_WARNING error mode (8 yay, 12 nay, 40.0%)<br>
<br>
Thank you to everyone that has voted and participated in the discussions.<b=
r>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Gina P. Banyard<br></blockquote><div><br></div>I=E2=80=99d like to raise so=
me concerns about the decision to deprecate __sleep() and __wakeup().<br><b=
r>While I understand the intention behind moving toward __serialize() and _=
_unserialize(), in practice the migration path is often non-trivial. For ex=
ample, in Symfony=E2=80=99s codebase there are numerous cases where switchi=
ng requires deep knowledge of PHP=E2=80=99s serialization format to maintai=
n compatibility with existing payloads. This is essential so that updated a=
pplications can still communicate with older versions.<br><br>For many proj=
ects, this will be a significant burden, especially given that __sleep() an=
d __wakeup() have historically worked well for these use cases. I=E2=80=99m=
 concerned that the practical cost to the community may outweigh the benefi=
ts, particularly since the rationale for removal seems, at least from a use=
r=E2=80=99s perspective, debatable.<br><br>I don=E2=80=99t know if there is=
 room to reconsider the deprecation, but I wanted to share this perspective=
 from the field.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Nicolas</div></div>

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