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To: "Christoph M. Becker" <cmbecker69@gmx.de>, Juliette Reinders Folmer
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for PHP 8.5
Thread-Topic: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for PHP 8.5
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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2025 12:00:46 +0000
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From: theodorejb@outlook.com (Theodore Brown)

On Wed, August 6, 2025 at 03:09 Christoph M. Becker wrote:=0A=
=0A=
> On 06.08.2025 at 06:21, Theodore Brown wrote:=0A=
>=0A=
>> I just analyzed the top 1500 Composer packages for a couple more of the =
proposed syntax=0A=
>> deprecations, and found the following:=0A=
>>=0A=
>> ## Deprecate non-standard cast names:=0A=
>> 197 non-standard casts in 25 unique packages.=0A=
>>=0A=
>> ## Deprecate backticks as an alias for shell_exec:=0A=
>> 49 backtick operator executions in 10 unique packages.=0A=
>>=0A=
>> I find it ironic that the more widely used of these proposals has the le=
ast opposition to=0A=
>> deprecate (100% in favor so far), while deprecating semicolon-terminated=
 case statements=0A=
>> (which has zero usages in the top 1500 packages) currently has more oppo=
sition than either=0A=
>> of these.=0A=
>=0A=
> I would not necessarily expect backtick operators to be used in top=0A=
> Composer packages.=A0 That is likely a feature used by some private shell=
=0A=
> scripts; maybe sometimes quick and dirty through-away/ use-once scripts.=
=0A=
=0A=
Hi Christoph,=0A=
=0A=
Here's the list of usages:=0A=
https://gist.github.com/theodorejb/965633b9787475dfe64cc53dc941bc49=0A=
=0A=
Some appear to be in tests or internal scripts, but not all.=0A=
E.g. the laravel\pulse usages, and the ones for console utilities.=0A=
=0A=
Theodore=