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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs
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From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans)

On 27 July 2025 14:09:50 BST, "Tim D=C3=BCsterhus" <tim@bastelstu=2Ebe> wro=
te:
>Hi
>
>On 7/24/25 15:42, Larry Garfield wrote:
>> Just to clarify here, Single Transferable Vote and Ranked Choice Voting=
 are the same thing=2E  I think it's just another Ameircan-vs-British Engli=
sh question=2E :-)
>
>My understanding is that =E2=80=9CRanked Choice Voting=E2=80=9D is a gene=
ric term of which =E2=80=9CSingle Transferable Vote=E2=80=9D is a specific =
implementation=2E I specifically do not want to allow any other implementat=
ions than the one the PHP project is already comfortable with using=2E

That's my understanding too, and I also agree we shouldn't make it more co=
mplicated=2E=20

>> How about this, as a following paragraph:
>>=20
>> As an STV example, a secondary vote using STV and having 5 "Foo", 4 "Ba=
r", 8 "Baz", and 9 "Abstain" first-choice votes has no majority, so will go=
 to a second round=2E  "Bar" will be eliminated and those votes redistribut=
ed to second-choice options=2E  If for example the second round result is 6=
 "Foo", 9 "Baz", and 11 "Abstain", then Baz will have won as it has a clear=
 majority of non-Abstain votes cast=2E
>
>That is quite verbose and requires two assumptions to be made, making it =
hard to follow when not already knowing how STV works=2E I think it will co=
nfuse more than it helps=2E

Please don't add abstention to STV votes=2E If you select fewer options th=
an you can, that is already an abstention=2E=20

STV is really only used for secondaries (and release managers) anyway, so =
I would rather see this not get more complicated=2E=20

cheers=20
Derick=20