Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:128205 X-Original-To: internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: internals@lists.php.net Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (php-smtp4.php.net [45.112.84.5]) by lists.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 087E21A00BC for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2025 09:28:22 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=php.net; s=mail; t=1753349197; bh=uhc8+8UV4nay23TfApRl9TCnu/Ium/oIBiM+L5DWPio=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=k1vboy1VTFNYv6GfLqL0Ui52w1AUemOY1QnfLzitdFT2MKOw+ZMpDMjfVKhdqBXQl 5pCgq/RF93ox+w9j7KvthEPfwwA4GOMrXrQ2ky+BtnBY4a1V9SHWJuQ5AHKBL0ptTy VFFYUDb6kyp6cxVxcerKmQiOnx+bqd2JfDdBalZUSmLRY5N4PJBWyUTINLcF4XWfxG O0o8b6FnBtJG5qFPHfZUyoU5F9xzHqr5uski+4GCPYCHrYsZH6Td+PClNt+KwjtE0b fKNGNsIDfTGmzAtw4+0wp4/5LNOPy3PwYel75AvL1qMyrXnppJIcoKLplbYaE8EEy4 r32uKbRHJU2fA== Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A35180079 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2025 09:26:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.1 (2024-03-25) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,DMARC_PASS,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.1 X-Spam-Virus: Error (Cannot connect to unix socket '/var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl': connect: Connection refused) X-Envelope-From: Received: from chrono.xqk7.com (chrono.xqk7.com [176.9.45.72]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2025 09:26:36 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bastelstu.be; s=mail20171119; t=1753349299; bh=miORjGAuRO4HNJgkcAwjRGV47AhkimBeMWYzk3ecPS8=; h=MIME-Version:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References: Message-ID:Content-Type:from:to:cc:subject:message-id; b=Urde30o2SJ3NkxirfnQyCGjjcBMAJFmc1BryV4oRxbFazIHp6uKndZbYPDzYZRMVb LwtzWZliJsQPwslGGNOtDcy5fvH8HLWCcT5W8OqYZoy/5LMrpJyi3Dy9tE+blMtj1w 9JyGoSk6UGqouQgX1oSGrRL4MeeJRkpCH38+JuEgDyhhrVJ692JGibqWm/yBcx1ubV liAGZKWQrQMOHoQtaZe5AaIfurdYg5MstQVfzgAHz3+ZyFVV4tfAbiIBbNgWvx4rd0 kMWh0ESwJPVglk/AUXQ3ouPz7Qe+wqu5W1un0ad7Ox2ywvAvdReMr+rlnx9mAqp/lu qByhPscInFXsw== Precedence: bulk list-help: list-post: List-Id: internals.lists.php.net x-ms-reactions: disallow MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 11:28:19 +0200 To: Andreas Heigl Cc: internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] "Abstain" voting option for RFCs In-Reply-To: References: <26c4161a-1520-4134-8fc1-74dc4a27c463@heigl.org> Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: tim@bastelstu.be (=?UTF-8?Q?Tim_D=C3=BCsterhus?=) Hi Am 2025-07-23 17:34, schrieb Andreas Heigl: > As you point out, the abstain alone solves a me "problem". Changing the > process just for that, seems overkill to me. Requiring an "Abstain" option in the voting widget is a simple change to the process. It does not require any additional effort from RFC authors, since I'll make sure to add it to the voting widget in the RFC template (https://wiki.php.net/rfc/template) should this RFC pass. I believe the proposal has sufficient merit on its own and also allows us to collect "hard data" that can be used as part of a discussion for future scope changes, such as an RFC quorum. I don't believe having an "Abstain" option needs to be tied to larger changes to the process and I am not interested in increasing the scope of this RFC, intentionally leaving those to “Future Scope”. If you don't see the value right now, but don't outright reject the proposal due to being interested in future scope changes building on the proposal, abstaining from the vote would probably be the right decision :-) Best regards Tim Düsterhus