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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 11:21:01 -0700
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Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: [VOTE] RFC: #[\DelayedTargetValidation] attribute
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From: daniel.e.scherzer@gmail.com (Daniel Scherzer)

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On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at 9:21=E2=80=AFAM Daniel Scherzer <daniel.e.scherzer@=
gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi internals,
>
> Voting is now open for this RFC.
>
> * RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/delayedtargetvalidation_attribute
> * Discussion thread: https://externals.io/message/127702
>
> Voting will end 2025-07-31 at end-of-day UTC.
>
> -Daniel
>

For those who are still debating how to vote, or who voted no, I want to
highlight the "Extend #[\Override] to target properties" RFC currently in
voting as an example of a use case. See
https://wiki.php.net/rfc/override_properties.

Specifically, if we had already added #[\DelayedTargetValidation] as part
of 8.4, and that other RFC passes, there would have been a place to use it
- on class properties in code that supports 8.4 and 8.5 but wants to
indicate that the property overrides a parent property. Fundamentally,
#[\DelayedTargetValidation] needs to be introduced *before* it is useful,
because it is designed for supporting attributes that change in future
versions of PHP. Introducing it in 8.5 might not help for #[\Override] on
property, but it would help for any attribute changes in 8.6+, e.g. if
#[\Override] starts to support class constants.

-Daniel

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Thu, Jul 17, 2025 at =
9:21=E2=80=AFAM Daniel Scherzer &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:daniel.e.scherzer@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">daniel.e.scherzer@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi internals,<br><br>Voting is now open for this RFC.<br>=
<br>* RFC:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://wiki.php.net/rfc/delayedtargetvalidation=
_attribute" target=3D"_blank">https://wiki.php.net/rfc/delayedtargetvalidat=
ion_attribute</a><br>* Discussion thread:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://externals=
.io/message/127702" target=3D"_blank">https://externals.io/message/127702</=
a><div><br>Voting will end 2025-07-31 at end-of-day UTC.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>-Daniel</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>For those who are sti=
ll debating how to vote, or who voted no, I want to highlight the &quot;Ext=
end #[\Override] to target properties&quot; RFC currently in voting as an e=
xample of a use case. See=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://wiki.php.net/rfc/override=
_properties">https://wiki.php.net/rfc/override_properties</a>.</div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_quote"><br>Specifically, if we had already added #[\DelayedTar=
getValidation] as part of 8.4, and that other RFC passes, there would have =
been a place to use it - on class properties in code that supports 8.4 and =
8.5 but wants to indicate that the property overrides a parent property. Fu=
ndamentally, #[\DelayedTargetValidation] needs to be introduced *before* it=
 is useful, because it is designed for supporting attributes that change in=
 future versions of PHP. Introducing it in 8.5 might not help for #[\Overri=
de] on property, but it would help for any attribute changes in 8.6+, e.g. =
if #[\Override] starts to support class constants.<br><br><div>-Daniel=C2=
=A0</div></div></div>
</div>

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