Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:128154 X-Original-To: internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: internals@lists.php.net Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (php-smtp4.php.net [45.112.84.5]) by lists.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 935F51A00BC for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2025 08:29:45 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=php.net; s=mail; t=1753086479; bh=UAIlncLeA4Hyry6kygq0gS37TiGda+NYCLIQhwyAJ3s=; h=From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References:From; b=OIuWhPbQmJwPBWKv16Saah+gldT/PmyHiOD81AzKcsQ5yhv+jhxTbIZHa67ARrMjW z2v+XqosciP2kcBp+5X17lWWh5aMbxeUgfiaY5k8bloj7Azfk9dUhzsH+A5nkv0Xmh YpO0WuHGIeusjqhX8jtNBYmibSalw0qVy1Y4XLTeUzIZvIeIlxTpGYvNDeM2q/6KxC /QyYwSw5obIcKFlt+ZSGu0DZytA1yUE3RJ85mpgzPnomGwNvd7uZwOyqWJYBAkx260 U6sM/qng2Amc5dWWdW/La8dbFLLyi2gbq9PdqBz6JhXSOWHOWeu8YXatK3l6rFFE7z +sBkGtDGTqhlQ== Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD6C1801C7 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2025 08:27:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.1 (2024-03-25) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,DMARC_PASS,HTML_MESSAGE, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.1 X-Spam-Virus: Error (Cannot connect to unix socket '/var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl': connect: Connection refused) X-Envelope-From: Received: from avril.gn2.hosting (avril.gn2.hosting [84.19.162.247]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2025 08:27:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from avril.gn2.hosting (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by avril.gn2.hosting (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8E5D1C40583; Mon, 21 Jul 2025 10:29:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [202.46.151.141]) by avril.gn2.hosting (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C83D31C4053A; Mon, 21 Jul 2025 10:29:35 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nicksdot.dev; s=default; t=1753086576; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=9i4RmtFTVoBQN5Z2RD77c9j86Bk4l2OFgYZkHT7QPqE=; b=Enb+KuFV2eVwjv5u8OSQQaiULU9N2DROK4rggEmOFzqBW24Su2cQFX7K2cZ54kQ4IzNQCv nWKC+7JyzOaztNx5nQNGqqLnOwPwEBLYzqlkAz4w2vE8WRXmOv9NNWZQw7HoiT4HKWxKjZ ddWYYDuBzt5w6XOg7Dzy9f1K2RqdKeWuMF22881ok/2RcoHeXTMNgk/+zQ1JTkPpQbtedN uvz1MrDdlOskEmrXQwtNxDQ4g6rZMNfivl+nSVi2wnCDmJ4FQkK5pF4zeLr8UgEadAyEN7 YoQH5nLvTPyfiY15pLgZUjF2Pu2qrHzy4tj4gTRc5f46WEBbftW56arWqI1bqw== Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D708CEB4-86FD-4F34-AEAB-D88E22DB7B13" Precedence: bulk list-help: list-post: List-Id: internals.lists.php.net x-ms-reactions: disallow Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3826.600.51.1.1\)) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Readonly property hooks Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 15:29:15 +0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: php internals To: Niels Dossche , =?utf-8?Q?Tim_D=C3=BCsterhus?= References: <1e8634d7-ac1a-4025-b4e2-1948aabf5251@app.fastmail.com> <13B58381-AA61-4D38-A688-DD9E367ADE6F@nicksdot.dev> <96e0ea70-291e-4f0a-b449-acbaef16c099@bastelstu.be> <76059dd0-d27a-4207-9460-658175f54a99@app.fastmail.com> <5A1B6BCB-97AC-4D50-A38C-C7EE394E4EE1@nicksdot.dev> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3826.600.51.1.1) From: php@nicksdot.dev (Nick) --Apple-Mail=_D708CEB4-86FD-4F34-AEAB-D88E22DB7B13 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all, >> It's important to plan for the future and come up with a holistic = solution. >> I don't want to end up in a situation where in hindsight we shouldn't = have allowed a "set hook" for example and should've just left readonly = alone. >=20 > I honestly cannot come up with a reason for why this would be the = case. @Niels I saw you voted =E2=80=9Cno=E2=80=9D for `set`. I double checked the full RFC discussion. You didn=E2=80=99t = participate at all until the very end.=20 Both mails were on a meta-level. None one your mails had any arguments = which would justify your vote. I don=E2=80=99t understand your vote. Would you mind to elaborate? @Tim I saw you voted =E2=80=9Cno=E2=80=9D for `get` (expected, and = understandable), and decided to be abstinent to `set`. I double checked the full RFC discussion. You asked four times explicitly, and one time indirectly, to allow `set` = but not `get`. Would you mind to elaborate why you decided to not vote =E2=80=9Cyes=E2=80= =9D for what you asked for? =E2=80=94 As a new participant, I have difficulties to understand these kind of = =E2=80=9Cpolitics=E2=80=9D here. What was this six weeks discussion exactly for if decisions apparently = are taken in =E2=80=9Cother channels=E2=80=9D that are not the = officially documented ones? Thank you. Cheers, Nick --Apple-Mail=_D708CEB4-86FD-4F34-AEAB-D88E22DB7B13 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Hey = all,

It's important to plan for the future and = come up with a holistic solution.
I don't = want to end up in a situation where in hindsight we shouldn't have = allowed a "set hook" for example and should've just left readonly = alone.

I honestly cannot come up with = a reason for why this would be the = case.

@Niels
I= saw you voted =E2=80=9Cno=E2=80=9D for `set`.
I double = checked the full RFC discussion. You didn=E2=80=99t  participate at = all until the very end. 
Both mails were on a meta-level. = None one your mails had any arguments which would justify your = vote.
I don=E2=80=99t understand your vote. Would you mind to = elaborate?

@Tim
I saw you voted = =E2=80=9Cno=E2=80=9D for `get` (expected, and understandable), and = decided to be abstinent to `set`.
I double checked the full = RFC discussion.
You asked four times explicitly, and one time = indirectly, to allow `set` but not `get`.
Would you mind to = elaborate  why you decided to not vote =E2=80=9Cyes=E2=80=9D for = what you asked = for?

=E2=80=94

As a = new participant, I have difficulties to understand these kind of = =E2=80=9Cpolitics=E2=80=9D here.
What was this six weeks = discussion exactly for if decisions apparently are taken in =E2=80=9Cother= channels=E2=80=9D that are not the officially documented = ones?

Thank = you.

Cheers,
Nick

=

= --Apple-Mail=_D708CEB4-86FD-4F34-AEAB-D88E22DB7B13--