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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [meta] Readonly property hooks
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From: rob@bottled.codes ("Rob Landers")

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On Fri, Jul 18, 2025, at 14:10, Tim D=C3=BCsterhus wrote:
> Hi
>=20
> Apologies for the belated reply. I was busy with getting my own=20
> implementation wrapped up and the thread was so active that I had=20
> troubles keeping up.

Hi Tim,

Thanks for taking the time to reply. That said, I would like to address =
a concern, not about the content of your message, but the timing.

On multiple RFCs, you've joined in once the discussions has wound down a=
nd a vote is immeninent. At this point, many participants have assumed t=
he key issues are raised and addressed; or at least, reached the point o=
f constructive impasse.

Reopening settled threads so close to vote tends to disrupt the process.=
 It forces others to revisit old arguments under time pressure, giving t=
he late comments disproportionate visibility, and risks stalling momentu=
m.

I understand that threads move quickly and schedules vary, but if a conc=
ern is important enough to raise, it really helps to do so while the dis=
cussions are actively evolving. Otherwise, it becomes difficult to engag=
e meaningfully.

At a certain point, late feedback stops being helpful and starts to erod=
e the trust and rhythm of the process.

=E2=80=94 Rob
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<!DOCTYPE html><html><head><title></title></head><body><div>On Fri, Jul =
18, 2025, at 14:10, Tim D=C3=BCsterhus wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite" id=3D"qt" style=3D""><div>Hi</div><div><br></div><div>Apologies for=
 the belated reply. I was busy with getting my own&nbsp;</div><div>imple=
mentation wrapped up and the thread was so active that I had&nbsp;</div>=
<div>troubles keeping up.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Tim,<=
/div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for taking the time to reply. That said,=
 I would like to address a concern, not about the content of your messag=
e, but the timing.</div><div><br></div><div>On multiple RFCs, you've joi=
ned in once the discussions has wound down and a vote is immeninent. At =
this point, many participants have assumed the key issues are raised and=
 addressed; or at least, reached the point of constructive impasse.</div=
><div><br></div><div>Reopening settled threads so close to vote tends to=
 disrupt the process. It forces others to revisit old arguments under ti=
me pressure, giving the late comments disproportionate visibility, and r=
isks stalling momentum.</div><div><br></div><div>I understand that threa=
ds move quickly and schedules vary, but if a concern is important enough=
 to raise, it really helps to do so while the discussions are actively e=
volving. Otherwise, it becomes difficult to engage meaningfully.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>At a certain point, late feedback stops being helpful =
and starts to erode the trust and rhythm of the process.</div><div><br><=
/div><div id=3D"sig121229152">=E2=80=94 Rob</div></body></html>
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