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To: Niels Dossche <dossche.niels@gmail.com>, "internals@lists.php.net"
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for PHP 8.5
Thread-Topic: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for PHP 8.5
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2025 23:30:29 +0000
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From: theodorejb@outlook.com (Theodore Brown)

Apologies for the duplicate; I missed CCing Internals previously.=0A=
=0A=
On Mon, July 7, 2025 at 13:53 Niels Dossche wrote:=0A=
=0A=
>>> There are a few things I will vote no for:=0A=
>>>=0A=
>>> * Deprecate semicolon after case in switch statement.=0A=
>>>   People seem to use this and it doesn't seem harmful to have. Just bec=
ause you don't like it doesn't mean we should yeet it.=0A=
>>=0A=
>> Can you point to a project in current use where this syntax is intention=
ally used? I searched quite extensively=0A=
>> (even well beyond the top 1000 Composer packages where there are zero us=
ages) and only found a tiny number of=0A=
>> accidental usages (e.g. where all the cases in a switch statement had a =
normal colon except one which had a semicolon typo).=0A=
>> Almost all of these were quickly fixed by sending a pull request.=0A=
>=0A=
> See https://externals.io/message/126000, in particular Derick's reply.=0A=
=0A=
I believe Derick was commenting specifically on using separate <?php ?> tag=
s interleaved around=0A=
each switch, case, break, and endswitch statement (which there are no plans=
 to deprecate). Based=0A=
on the follow-up replies from him and Tim, deprecating semicolon-terminated=
 case statements=0A=
would not affect his xdebug.org site templates.=0A=
=0A=
> Also I'm sure there's a lot of brownfield PHP code that we have no idea a=
bout how it looks like.=0A=
=0A=
Perhaps, but even if so the migration is automatic with a single php-cs-fix=
er command.=0A=
=0A=
>> Maybe the unnecessary legacy syntax doesn't seem harmful, but I disagree=
. Non-standard alternate syntax can cause confusion=0A=
>> about a potential behavioral difference, and sometimes can even hold bac=
k future features (for example, deprecating the curly=0A=
>> brace array access syntax in PHP 7.4 made it possible to implement prope=
rty hooks in PHP 8.4).=0A=
>=0A=
> Sure, but whether it opens up anything useful in the future is highly spe=
culative.=0A=
>=0A=
>> I updated the RFC to document the planned deprecation message, as well a=
 command which automatically fixes any usages in a project.=0A=
>=0A=
> :+1:=0A=
=0A=
Kind regards,=0A=
Theodore=