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To: Niels Dossche <dossche.niels@gmail.com>, "internals@lists.php.net"
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for PHP 8.5
Thread-Topic: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Deprecations for PHP 8.5
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2025 18:55:03 +0000
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From: theodorejb@outlook.com (Theodore Brown)

On Fri, July 4, 2025 at 01:01 Niels Dossche wrote:=0A=
=0A=
> There are a few things I will vote no for:=0A=
> =0A=
> * Deprecate semicolon after case in switch statement.=0A=
> =A0 People seem to use this and it doesn't seem harmful to have. Just bec=
ause you don't like it doesn't mean we should yeet it.=0A=
=0A=
Can you point to a project in current use where this syntax is intentionall=
y used? I searched quite extensively=0A=
(even well beyond the top 1000 Composer packages where there are zero usage=
s) and only found a tiny number of=0A=
accidental usages (e.g. where all the cases in a switch statement had a nor=
mal colon except one which had a semicolon typo).=0A=
Almost all of these were quickly fixed by sending a pull request.=0A=
=0A=
Maybe the unnecessary legacy syntax doesn't seem harmful, but I disagree. N=
on-standard alternate syntax can cause confusion=0A=
about a potential behavioral difference, and sometimes can even hold back f=
uture features (for example, deprecating the curly=0A=
brace array access syntax in PHP 7.4 made it possible to implement property=
 hooks in PHP 8.4).=0A=
=0A=
I updated the RFC to document the planned deprecation message, as well a co=
mmand which automatically fixes any usages in a project.=0A=
=0A=
Kind regards,=0A=
Theodore Brown=