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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][DISCUSSION] Object-oriented curl API v2
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To: Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com>
From: pmjones@pmjones.io ("Paul M. Jones")

Hi all,

> On Jul 2, 2025, at 12:41, Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2025, at 12:34 PM, Paul M. Jones wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>=20
>>> The question of PHP-native request/response objects has come up a =
couple of times, and even had an RFC that went to a vote (declined).  My =
stance has been, and remains, that ... they should be powerful enough to =
effectively replace/displace PSR-7.
>>=20
>> Where and when have you previously articulated that stance? Because =
I'd=20
>> be thrilled to re-open yet another version (the 3rd) of that RFC.
>>=20
>> -- pmj
>=20
> I believe I stated it (perhaps phrased differently, it's been a while) =
in the discussion thread of your previous RFC.

You commented three times in that thread; the relevant one appears to be =
the second, and includes Symfony's HttpFoundation:

- https://externals.io/message/108436#108591

- https://externals.io/message/108436#108838 "I would be very much in =
favor of a proposal that goes much further, with the aim that it can =
eventually deprecate PSR-7 and HttpFoundation, or at least large =
portions of them."

- https://externals.io/message/108436#109007

I included that sentiment under "Disruptive to (or insufficiently =
unifying of) userland ecosystem" in the after-action on that RFC: =
<https://externals.io/message/109563>.

To sum up: your position is that any HTTP-related offering here must be =
able to supplant both PSR-7 and HttpFoundation?=20

Further: now that Symfony has its own HttpClient, should that be =
supplanted as well?


> And voted against the RFC on the grounds that I didn't feel it was =
robust enough to effectively replace PSR-7 and HttpFoundation.

You were not a voter at the time. Memories fade, I guess.


-- pmj