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On 16.06.25 19:01, Yogarine wrote:
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Hi all,

On 16 Jun 2025, at 17:24, Rob Landers <rob@bottled.codes> wrote:



On Mon, Jun 16, 2025, at 16:54, Alexandru P=C4=83tr=C4=83nescu wrote:



On Mon, Jun 16, 2025 at 4:03=E2=80=AFPM Marc Bennewitz <marc@mabe.berlin>=
; wrote:
Hi all,

It's 12.5 years only until the timestamps in PHP on 32bit will not work=20
as expected anymore.


Hi,

I think that maybe we can already deprecate supporting 32 bit builds.
And, maybe with PHP 9, or PHP 10, or with a future version that might exi=
st in about 6/7 years, completely drop 32 bits support.

As far as I checked a bit, all major OSs where PHP could run already drop=
ped or will drop support for 32 bits builds.
I expect that at some point even the linux kernel will drop support.

The impacted runtimes will probably be very low.

--=20
Alex


100% agree. We are already running out of space on some bitmasks (there a=
re a couple with exactly one bit left, or even none in the case of GC fla=
gs) for 32 bit support.

=E2=80=94 Rob

I'm reminded of a recent comment by Derick. He mentioned that usually if =
a function can't be provided on a specific platform or SAPI, that functio=
n is disabled for that environment specifically. This allows for a polyfi=
ll to provide an alternative implementation. (e.g. `getallheaders()`)

Considering 32-bit builds will not be able to reliable provide the `date(=
)` function at some point, what if we deprecate, and later disable, these=
 integer date functions on 32-bit builds specifically? This would have 0 =
impact for 64-bit users and provide a means for users on legacy or embedd=
ed systems to use an alternative implementation (that perhaps uses a cust=
om Unix epoch, or numeric strings =C2=AF\_(=E3=83=84)_/=C2=AF).

It's a long list of date functions already (see my first mail) and on looking deeper into detail it's not limited to the date extension. Same issues happen on a wide range of standard functions like "filemtime" or "opcache_get_status". Specifically everywhere where a timestamp is involved. Not even talking about the already known behavior differences of functions like "crc32". 

Alwin
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