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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2025 17:48:53 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [VOTE] Clone with v2
To: Volker Dusch <volker@tideways-gmbh.com>
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From: nicolas.grekas+php@gmail.com (Nicolas Grekas)

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Le mer. 4 juin 2025 =C3=A0 17:15, Volker Dusch <volker@tideways-gmbh.com> a
=C3=A9crit :

> Hi everyone,
>
> We just opened the vote for the "Clone with v2" RFC:
>
> RFC: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/clone_with_v2
> Discussion: https://externals.io/message/127353
> PR: https://github.com/php/php-src/pull/18747
>
> As with every RFC, a 2/3 majority is required.
> Voting ends 2025-06-18 at 15:30:00 UTC.
>
> Kind regards,
> Volker
>


While I appreciate the effort that went into the proposal and I value the
technical discussions we've had, I feel the transition to the voting phase
comes a bit too soon. It seemed like the conversation still had room to
evolve, and seeing the vote opened while I (and possibly others) were still
forming or refining thoughts is demotivating.

Moments like this make it clear how emotionally demanding participating on
internals can be. I believe strongly in the importance of open, respectful,
and inclusive dialogue - especially when we disagree. That=E2=80=99s how we=
 move
things forward, even if it takes time.

I=E2=80=99m sharing this not to single anyone out, but because I care about=
 this
space and I hope we can keep making the process more collaborative,
especially around timing and closure of discussions.

Nicolas

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote g=
mail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Le=C2=A0mer. 4 =
juin 2025 =C3=A0=C2=A017:15, Volker Dusch &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:volker@tide=
ways-gmbh.com">volker@tideways-gmbh.com</a>&gt; a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<br></di=
v><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;borde=
r-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>H=
i everyone,<br><br>We just opened the vote for the &quot;Clone with v2&quot=
; RFC:<br><br>RFC: <a href=3D"https://wiki.php.net/rfc/clone_with_v2" targe=
t=3D"_blank">https://wiki.php.net/rfc/clone_with_v2</a><br>Discussion:=C2=
=A0<a href=3D"https://externals.io/message/127353" target=3D"_blank">https:=
//externals.io/message/127353</a><br>PR:=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com=
/php/php-src/pull/18747" target=3D"_blank">https://github.com/php/php-src/p=
ull/18747</a></div><div><br>As with every RFC, a 2/3 majority is required.<=
/div><div>Voting ends 2025-06-18 at 15:30:00 UTC.<br><br>Kind regards,</div=
><div>Volker</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br>While I apprec=
iate the effort that went into the proposal and I value the technical discu=
ssions we&#39;ve had, I feel the transition to the voting phase comes a bit=
 too soon. It seemed like the conversation still had room to evolve, and se=
eing the vote opened while I (and possibly others) were still forming or re=
fining thoughts is demotivating.<br><br>Moments like this make it clear how=
 emotionally demanding participating on internals can be. I believe strongl=
y in the importance of open, respectful, and inclusive dialogue - especiall=
y when we disagree. That=E2=80=99s how we move things forward, even if it t=
akes time.<br><br>I=E2=80=99m sharing this not to single anyone out, but be=
cause I care about this space and I hope we can keep making the process mor=
e collaborative, especially around timing and closure of discussions.=C2=A0=
</div><div><br></div><div>Nicolas</div></div></div>

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