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Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Clone with v2
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From: volker@tideways-gmbh.com (Volker Dusch)

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Hi everyone,

As there was no additional feedback for the last 5 days, and we feel the
RFC is in a good place, we intend to start voting on Wednesday if there are
no new concerns raised.

Thank you again!
Volker

On Mon, May 26, 2025 at 4:03=E2=80=AFPM Volker Dusch <volker@tideways-gmbh.=
com>
wrote:

> Version 1.1 Update: Array syntax over named arguments.
>
> Thank you everyone for the discussion and for improving this RFC. I'm ver=
y
> happy with the updates we made thanks to your feedback on and off list.
>
> The main idea of this RFC was to have as little of a footprint as possibl=
e
> and make it feel natural in PHP. I got carried away a bit during writing
> this, and by using named arguments, introduced something that isn't used =
in
> php-src provided functions, had edge cases that required documentation, a=
nd
> all in all, didn't feel natural in PHP but like an inconsistency. PHP use=
s
> arrays to pass lists everywhere else, so changing this here feels like to=
o
> much scope for this little change. I'm very happy this was caught and
> raised in the discussions. Thank you.
>
> If there is desire for named-parameter-as-an-array syntax this should be
> standalone RFC with more scope than a single function.
>
> We've updated the RFC and the implementation, removing the "Open Issue"
> listed before, as this change resolved all of them.
>
> - https://wiki.php.net/rfc/clone_with_v2
> - https://github.com/TimWolla/php-src/pull/6
>
>
> --
> Volker Dusch
> Head of Engineering
> Tideways GmbH
> K=C3=B6nigswinterer Str. 116
> 53227 Bonn
> https://tideways.io/imprint
>
> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Bonn
> Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Benjamin Au=C3=9Fenhofer (geb. Eberlei)
> Registergericht: Amtsgericht Bonn, HRB 22127
>


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Volker Dusch
Head of Engineering
Tideways GmbH
K=C3=B6nigswinterer Str. 116
53227 Bonn
https://tideways.io/imprint

Sitz der Gesellschaft: Bonn
Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Benjamin Au=C3=9Fenhofer (geb. Eberlei)
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi everyone,<div><br></div><div>As there was no additional=
 feedback for the last 5 days, and we feel the RFC is in a good place, we i=
ntend to start voting on Wednesday if there are no new concerns raised.</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Thank you again!</div><div>Volker</div></div><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Mon, May 26, 2025 at 4:03=E2=80=AFPM Volker Dusch &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:volker@tideways-gmbh.com">volker@tideways-gmbh.com</a>&gt; wrote:<b=
r></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Version 1.1 Update: Array syntax over named arguments.<br>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>Thank you everyone for the discussion=
 and for improving this RFC. I&#39;m very happy with the updates we made th=
anks to your feedback on and off list.</div><div><br></div><div>The main id=
ea of this RFC was to have as little of a footprint as=C2=A0possible and ma=
ke it feel natural in PHP. I got carried away a bit during writing this, an=
d by using named arguments, introduced something that isn&#39;t used in php=
-src provided functions, had edge cases that required documentation, and al=
l in all, didn&#39;t feel natural in PHP but like an inconsistency. PHP use=
s arrays to pass lists everywhere else, so changing this here feels like to=
o much scope for this little change. I&#39;m very happy this was caught and=
 raised in the discussions. Thank you.</div><div><br></div><div>If there is=
 desire for named-parameter-as-an-array syntax this should be standalone RF=
C with more scope than a single function.</div><div><br></div><div>We&#39;v=
e updated=C2=A0the RFC and the implementation, removing the &quot;Open Issu=
e&quot; listed before, as this change resolved all of them.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>-=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://wiki.php.net/rfc/clone_with_v2" target=
=3D"_blank">https://wiki.php.net/rfc/clone_with_v2</a></div><div>-=C2=A0<a =
href=3D"https://github.com/TimWolla/php-src/pull/6" target=3D"_blank">https=
://github.com/TimWolla/php-src/pull/6</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></di=
v><span class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" cla=
ss=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);f=
ont-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Volker Dusch</div><div style=
=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Head=
 of Engineering</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:12.8px"><div>Tideways GmbH</div><div>K=C3=B6nigswinterer=
 Str. 116</div><div>53227 Bonn</div><div><a href=3D"https://tideways.io/imp=
rint" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">https://tideways.io/=
imprint</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Sitz der Gesellschaft: Bonn</div><=
div>Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Benjamin Au=C3=9Fenhofer (geb. Eberlei)</div=
><div>Registergericht: Amtsgericht Bonn, HRB 22127</div></div></div></div><=
/div>
</blockquote></div><div><br clear=3D"all"></div><div><br></div><span class=
=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_s=
ignature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:ar=
ial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Volker Dusch</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(=
34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Head of Engineerin=
g</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-=
size:12.8px"><div>Tideways GmbH</div><div>K=C3=B6nigswinterer Str. 116</div=
><div>53227 Bonn</div><div><a href=3D"https://tideways.io/imprint" style=3D=
"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">https://tideways.io/imprint</a><br=
></div><div><br></div><div>Sitz der Gesellschaft: Bonn</div><div>Gesch=C3=
=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Benjamin Au=C3=9Fenhofer (geb. Eberlei)</div><div>Regist=
ergericht: Amtsgericht Bonn, HRB 22127</div></div></div></div>

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