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Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: [RFC] Clone with v2
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From: volker@tideways-gmbh.com (Volker Dusch)

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Version 1.1 Update: Array syntax over named arguments.

Thank you everyone for the discussion and for improving this RFC. I'm very
happy with the updates we made thanks to your feedback on and off list.

The main idea of this RFC was to have as little of a footprint as possible
and make it feel natural in PHP. I got carried away a bit during writing
this, and by using named arguments, introduced something that isn't used in
php-src provided functions, had edge cases that required documentation, and
all in all, didn't feel natural in PHP but like an inconsistency. PHP uses
arrays to pass lists everywhere else, so changing this here feels like too
much scope for this little change. I'm very happy this was caught and
raised in the discussions. Thank you.

If there is desire for named-parameter-as-an-array syntax this should be
standalone RFC with more scope than a single function.

We've updated the RFC and the implementation, removing the "Open Issue"
listed before, as this change resolved all of them.

- https://wiki.php.net/rfc/clone_with_v2
- https://github.com/TimWolla/php-src/pull/6


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Version 1.1 Update: Array syntax over nam=
ed arguments.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div>Thank you everyone f=
or the discussion and for improving this RFC. I&#39;m very happy with the u=
pdates we made thanks to your feedback on and off list.</div><div><br></div=
><div>The main idea of this RFC was to have as little of a footprint as=C2=
=A0possible and make it feel natural in PHP. I got carried away a bit durin=
g writing this, and by using named arguments, introduced something that isn=
&#39;t used in php-src provided functions, had edge cases that required doc=
umentation, and all in all, didn&#39;t feel natural in PHP but like an inco=
nsistency. PHP uses arrays to pass lists everywhere else, so changing this =
here feels like too much scope for this little change. I&#39;m very happy t=
his was caught and raised in the discussions. Thank you.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>If there is desire for named-parameter-as-an-array syntax this shoul=
d be standalone RFC with more scope than a single function.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>We&#39;ve updated=C2=A0the RFC and the implementation, removing t=
he &quot;Open Issue&quot; listed before, as this change resolved all of the=
m.</div><div><br></div><div>-=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://wiki.php.net/rfc/clon=
e_with_v2" target=3D"_blank">https://wiki.php.net/rfc/clone_with_v2</a></di=
v><div>-=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/TimWolla/php-src/pull/6" target=
=3D"_blank">https://github.com/TimWolla/php-src/pull/6</a></div><div><br></=
div><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><di=
v dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div style=3D"colo=
r:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">Volker Dusch=
</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:12.8px">Head of Engineering</div><div style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34);font=
-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><div>Tideways GmbH</div><div>K=
=C3=B6nigswinterer Str. 116</div><div>53227 Bonn</div><div><a href=3D"https=
://tideways.io/imprint" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">ht=
tps://tideways.io/imprint</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Sitz der Gesells=
chaft: Bonn</div><div>Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Benjamin Au=C3=9Fenhofer (=
geb. Eberlei)</div><div>Registergericht: Amtsgericht Bonn, HRB 22127</div><=
/div></div></div></div>

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