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Date: Wed, 21 May 2025 08:06:57 -0400
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Module or Class Visibility, Season 2
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From: tendoaki@gmail.com (Michael Morris)

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On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 7:23=E2=80=AFAM Deleu <deleugyn@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, May 20, 2025 at 11:08=E2=80=AFAM Michael Morris <tendoaki@gmail.c=
om>
> wrote:
>
>> The Problem: Interoperability.
>>
>> That's really it.
>>
>
> I think this is why Rowan keeps telling you to call or compare this with
> "Containers" and not modules.
>

Which is why I switched to calling them a "whachamacallit" to set the issue
aside and focus on concepts, not terms. He insisted on trolling despite
that.


> When I opened this thread, my interest was in bundling multiple files all
> at once so that the PHP engine can make assumptions and optimizations abo=
ut
> it and expand namespace to also allow class visibility. To me, and I
> believe to a vast majority of PHP users, interoperability is not a proble=
m.
> We don't need, and, depending on how we position it, don't want multiple
> versions of the same package on a single application.
>

Not all of us have the pleasure of living in ivory towers like you do. In
the real world code isn't perfect and problems need to be solved.

No one wants multiple versions of the same package in a single application.
How stupid do you think I am?

We don't always get what we want -  the need for multiple package versions
does arise in the real world which is why other languages such as golang
and JavaScript can allow it.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote g=
mail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, May 21,=
 2025 at 7:23=E2=80=AFAM Deleu &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:deleugyn@gmail.com">de=
leugyn@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, May 20, 2025=
 at 11:08=E2=80=AFAM Michael Morris &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tendoaki@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">tendoaki@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px so=
lid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>The Problem: I=
nteroperability.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>That&#39;s really it.</div>=
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think this is why Rowan keeps tell=
ing you to call or compare this with &quot;Containers&quot; and not modules=
. </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Which is why I switche=
d to calling them a &quot;whachamacallit&quot; to set the issue aside and f=
ocus on concepts, not terms. He insisted on trolling despite that.</div><di=
v>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px=
 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D=
"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>When I opened this thread, my interes=
t was in bundling multiple files all at once so that the PHP engine can mak=
e assumptions and optimizations about it and expand namespace to also allow=
 class visibility. To me, and I believe to a vast majority of PHP users, in=
teroperability is not a problem. We don&#39;t need, and, depending on how w=
e position it, don&#39;t want multiple versions of the same package on a si=
ngle application.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not all=
 of us have the pleasure of living in ivory towers like you do. In the real=
 world code isn&#39;t perfect and problems need to be solved.=C2=A0</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>No one wants multiple versions of the same package in a s=
ingle application. How stupid do you=C2=A0think=C2=A0I am?</div><div><br></=
div><div>We don&#39;t always get what we want -=C2=A0 the need for multiple=
 package=C2=A0versions does arise in the real world which is why other lang=
uages such as golang and JavaScript can allow it.</div><div><br></div></div=
></div>

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