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Date: Mon, 5 May 2025 12:25:57 +0300
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Modules, again.
To: Michael Morris <tendoaki@gmail.com>
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From: arvids.godjuks@gmail.com (Arvids Godjuks)

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On Sun, 4 May 2025 at 17:31, Michael Morris <tendoaki@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, May 4, 2025 at 7:06=E2=80=AFAM Arvids Godjuks <arvids.godjuks@gma=
il.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> It ended exactly how my first judging brain wave thought it would go -
>> this whole thing is about fixing WordPress by changing the language. Pla=
in
>> and simple.
>>
>>
> That is a lie. Go back and read again - I discuss how this will improve
> Drupal, Symfony and other projects that embrace composer.
>

As Larry has already extensively covered, it seems that about 80% of the
whole thing lives somewhere outside the emails you sent. That's just a bad
proposal, either rushed or hasn't been worked on past 1st version of a
draft. It is how it reads to me.
Accounting for that (and I read through your correspondence) - there is
nothing in the clarifications that didn't make me reconsider; if anything,
it turned me off even more.

I will repeat myself: I do not want a
typescript/javascript/python/rails/whatever export/import type going into
PHP. This is just going back to pre-autoloading times, where you needed to
require/include files. Yes, the autoloading part is better, but then we
have a whole mess of autoloader importing vs require/include at which point
this whole thing is a ball of spaghetti that makes no sense and I am
confused to a point I cannot make heads or tails of this whole thing.

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Arv=C4=ABds Godjuks
+371 26 851 664
arvids.godjuks@gmail.com
Telegram: @psihius https://t.me/psihius

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote g=
mail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, 4 May 2=
025 at 17:31, Michael Morris &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tendoaki@gmail.com">tend=
oaki@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 4, 2025 at =
7:06=E2=80=AFAM Arvids Godjuks &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:arvids.godjuks@gmail.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">arvids.godjuks@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blo=
ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left=
:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"=
ltr"><br></div><div>It ended exactly how my first judging brain wave though=
t it would go - this whole thing is about fixing WordPress by changing the =
language. Plain and simple.</div><div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br=
></div><div>That is a lie. Go back and read again - I discuss how this will=
 improve Drupal, Symfony and other projects that embrace composer.=C2=A0</d=
iv></div></div>
</blockquote></div><div><br clear=3D"all"></div><div>As Larry has already e=
xtensively covered, it seems that about 80% of the whole=C2=A0thing lives s=
omewhere outside the emails you sent. That&#39;s just a bad proposal, eithe=
r rushed or hasn&#39;t been worked on past 1st version of a draft. It is ho=
w it reads to me.</div><div>Accounting for that (and I read through=C2=A0yo=
ur correspondence) - there is nothing in the clarifications that didn&#39;t=
 make me reconsider; if anything, it turned me off even more.</div><div><br=
></div><div>I will repeat myself: I do not want a typescript/javascript/pyt=
hon/rails/whatever export/import type going into PHP. This is just going ba=
ck to pre-autoloading times, where you needed to require/include files. Yes=
, the autoloading part is better, but then we have a whole mess of autoload=
er importing vs require/include at which point this whole thing is a ball o=
f spaghetti that makes no sense and I am confused to a point I cannot make =
heads or tails of this whole thing.</div><div><br></div><span class=3D"gmai=
l_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature=
"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><br></div>Arv=C4=ABds Godjuks<div>+371 26 851 664</=
div><div><a href=3D"mailto:arvids.godjuks@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">arvi=
ds.godjuks@gmail.com</a></div><div>Telegram: @psihius=C2=A0<a href=3D"https=
://t.me/psihius" target=3D"_blank">https://t.me/psihius</a></div></div></di=
v></div>

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