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Date: Sun, 4 May 2025 17:25:56 -0400
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Modules, again.
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From: tendoaki@gmail.com (Michael Morris)

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On Sun, May 4, 2025 at 5:19=E2=80=AFPM Larry Garfield <larry@garfieldtech.c=
om>
wrote:

> On Sun, May 4, 2025, at 2:34 AM, Michael Morris wrote:
> > It's been 9 months. Been researching, working on other projects,
> > mulling over
> > points raised the last time I brought this up. And at the moment I
> > don't think
> > PHP 8.5 is in its final weeks so this isn't a distraction for that.
> > The
> > previous discussion got seriously, seriously derailed and I got lost
> > even though
> > I started it. I'm not going to ask anyone to dig into the archives,
> > let's just
> > start afresh.
>
> This proposal requires:
>
> 1. Every module author to change their coding structure
> 2. Every consumer of a package to change their coding structure
> 3. Devs to abandon "it just works" autoloading and explicitly import
> packages.
> 4. Abandoning 16 years of PSR-0/4 file convention in favor of "module =3D
> file", which will almost certainly result in multi-thousand-line files ev=
en
> for clean, well-factored code.
>

You're 4 for 4 on falsehoods. Care to actually read what I wrote because I
know you're more intelligent and better than this and very disappointed.

>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote g=
mail_quote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, May 4, =
2025 at 5:19=E2=80=AFPM Larry Garfield &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:larry@garfield=
tech.com">larry@garfieldtech.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On Sun, May 4, 2025, at 2:34 AM, Michael M=
orris wrote:<br>
&gt; It&#39;s been 9 months. Been researching, working on other projects, <=
br>
&gt; mulling over <br>
&gt; points raised the last time I brought this up. And at the moment I <br=
>
&gt; don&#39;t think <br>
&gt; PHP 8.5 is in its final weeks so this isn&#39;t a distraction for that=
.=C2=A0 <br>
&gt; The <br>
&gt; previous discussion got seriously, seriously derailed and I got lost <=
br>
&gt; even though <br>
&gt; I started it. I&#39;m not going to ask anyone to dig into the archives=
, <br>
&gt; let&#39;s just <br>
&gt; start afresh.<br>
<br>
This proposal requires:<br>
<br>
1. Every module author to change their coding structure<br>
2. Every consumer of a package to change their coding structure<br>
3. Devs to abandon &quot;it just works&quot; autoloading and explicitly imp=
ort packages.<br>
4. Abandoning 16 years of PSR-0/4 file convention in favor of &quot;module =
=3D file&quot;, which will almost certainly result in multi-thousand-line f=
iles even for clean, well-factored code.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><di=
v>You&#39;re 4 for 4 on falsehoods. Care to actually read what I wrote beca=
use I know you&#39;re more intelligent and better than this and very disapp=
ointed.=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
</blockquote></div></div>

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