Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:127177 X-Original-To: internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: internals@lists.php.net Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (php-smtp4.php.net [45.112.84.5]) by qa.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45C421A00BC for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2025 20:44:20 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=php.net; s=mail; t=1745440921; bh=fLN2SFJumwvAJnJ69jC48KTdtTKqTQzi4NuPPgR7fNM=; h=References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:Subject:To:Cc:From; b=QQGj8En7C3IjlC9t53Uz+4eGE1rg0gVTKULmR2S9cxrDsftlEUefqWDyY7iIJkjk1 uw/1+tugqOksytRVH3bC0TZKcfaEeypsTjF+ZmqURm0V+sSPTT9vAt0CrW62dxMhqW GXJ5g2Bd0KuoSS2KGJ2HDrjpz1frrJfXNkQ405jdb11H57UrmHEOZCKrEuyHVvS5sA yTeE5/+sHoYC6uGOq4KR4OYN3PF80OSlXjVZHY+OJXZiRrzH2NiKYHljPayV+aPKyw fdNE63XSmiK2d+z91ZeHRE2THg07knmTuxTbXd9AXFlKl6YL3gX5BPQVrCdXqVKL71 Rp+lBCHHJnKaA== Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499FB18007D for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2025 20:41:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,DMARC_PASS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE,T_SPF_TEMPERROR autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 X-Spam-Virus: Error (Cannot connect to unix socket '/var/run/clamav/clamd.ctl': connect: Connection refused) X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-wr1-f44.google.com (mail-wr1-f44.google.com [209.85.221.44]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2025 20:41:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr1-f44.google.com with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-39ee682e0ddso172111f8f.1 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2025 13:44:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=datadoghq.com; s=google; t=1745441055; x=1746045855; darn=lists.php.net; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=fLN2SFJumwvAJnJ69jC48KTdtTKqTQzi4NuPPgR7fNM=; b=X4t3pj8rybYvevWnEvGU0AcaD0uE4NhsLJr8u4IyIVokCmmwWG6sKSk0BBoeXfbH2d vxW1YIwYYcmH+CdOG05zBdiQWZIhcCEpH+f7qtQiEDaq3oMDmpvjzknaxGQmUULycvXc SoLGsSSZ39o4zcRsaJw8hPsLSgAEOFToChQhE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1745441055; x=1746045855; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=fLN2SFJumwvAJnJ69jC48KTdtTKqTQzi4NuPPgR7fNM=; b=pynv/6/NlAr2CXKqEVOkGgLCUlzW7pCebxtVas63RN7P5NorwiD7FKXGxUNfHgRAzq W4UgPlFgEjcLK+4tibfWPEDr39d1CQ67LAtsojgc7vhwXN3kN+m+DTMYWudbc7cxFaAS rhsA7XgyZA2JaJCL2svKlK87un4F0ZwPUhw6QX6slRDBtZ7hAuXdqWgFysPfVmDxR3vh Zgj/IS+atq9xBzgThJa6rqR4W2nanRJZUAJzpf8vqrQyXoGNeW6AAn8FyRWgr7XTbrCM TZ4sNG3+wEUJkpJUQTzPp4z/rHgTuZzrKFi/qoibFMPh3PGMEbVtSkgJobUJ5jp0mlPA EoBw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxrqiGcm2feXUvoKjIlJJsXG/xVUc7U1UMUMQ4JDh4wFpYOzQe+ OI+Z0B/G1q0sJdKnYtLsBkuzKikAA4x88DFe259u/JCdgwn0lVK3X2DyT0FRr+dyGgCZmr/VseH GQuXygHkP1Xv/qDTpe0/N1Q8AhudSJstFSTMN1g== X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncuVQCA/Y/nNawLhp3eU4dodnMDxGKQi6Yt56jRP0Jv5EgoSUcnd4pwBpJHOHCT Zz8uCAu70HqKcsHZYNO+IiXVd/Uef2RCCmzFCElqmIAMnvoy5tdSLVDxpowM/5kKBkjt1lhyKuS EcVenPBJjskxq816+gaedPK8dcxcTOQYB/ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHY2P9UFmmhB9TK3vrTUDa58h+GmLf8lCNQtPAPcLDtGT0kXRv5i2IBdEuhMcrcz7nt9n1dueCyOi5HeKncNTs= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6d8b:0:b0:39e:e588:6721 with SMTP id ffacd0b85a97d-39efba2e9a5mr18091766f8f.3.1745441054748; Wed, 23 Apr 2025 13:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk list-help: list-post: List-Id: internals.lists.php.net x-ms-reactions: disallow MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <74c96215-3f75-4b88-9ea5-57b2300a88d2@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <74c96215-3f75-4b88-9ea5-57b2300a88d2@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 14:44:03 -0600 X-Gm-Features: ATxdqUFOstULf34bAjBE6Ek5EFrkCMKNc95UTARTeF-_VjSpyntKF-hui-uX_GI Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] [Vote] array_first() and array_last() To: Niels Dossche Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: levi.morrison@datadoghq.com (Levi Morrison) On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 9:18=E2=80=AFPM Niels Dossche wrote: > > Hi internals > > I'm opening the vote for https://wiki.php.net/rfc/array_first_last > Vote runs until 2025-05-06 23:59:59 CEST. > > Kind regards > Niels I've voted yes. I still don't like functions which conflate null as an error and null as a legitimate value. I think that the user can reasonably avoid this edge in many cases, and we don't really have a better option (ha) than throwing an exception, which doesn't seem right to me in this case. So it's a reluctant yes.