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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Feedback for nullc Idea
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From: norbert@aimeos.com (Aimeos | Norbert Sendetzky)

On 23.03.25 19:37, Rowan Tommins [IMSoP] wrote:
> I'm sympathetic to the problem you're trying to solve - the precedence 
> of ?? isn't always helpful - but I'm not sure I like the proposed 
> solution, for 3 reasons.
> 
> 1) The name "nullc" is over-shortened and cryptic. The "c" looks almost 
> like an accident, and it doesn't actually do anything if given a null.

To me, a wider approach might be more helpful, i.e. using "get" with an 
optional default value:

if(get($a['val']))
// equals if($a['val] ?? null)

if(get($a['val'], true))
// equals if($a['val] ?? true)

if(get($a['val], 'yes'))
// equals if($a['val] ?? 'yes')

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