Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:126911 X-Original-To: internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: internals@lists.php.net Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (php-smtp4.php.net [45.112.84.5]) by qa.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2FD71A00BC for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2025 12:52:13 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=php.net; s=mail; t=1742734183; bh=4g8zHSpzoUgb3yywoPnSWJgE3bhEJnUrvvSByn+Ujtk=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:From; b=ZORG+ULBuNAc0IhdwScWboh30zCzWMscX6Af4d/HAxrSrMAS36svKTd79Re+W8QsU YMwe1y5s7qQ1BrLbFUFNrWQzxulG5AXCAlS3IQWwlfDPGeThqsOxL2lRx9jsjQx8iN rMpzOlNtWwQAbvnzbxK2yMW+Ai2t+/uTsQcftt3OlftSJKVyKNVT6znxk1JMnLaBtL yOYabPpJkt+8hLnh9QItpCJGRaod99uoQuOL86Ja2uXEaKDKjNxhpjeiO1pM+cIkqh xpybyfq07R7h6S9fxeg0td4EjPV+VXGKtY/1Ju4EGqiP0JpSppoznvBTRDZTHql5/S EZDNW10ql2pMw== Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C7A18003C for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2025 12:49:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DMARC_PASS,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,SPF_HELO_PASS, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: <010f0195c30f8ccb-c7fa839e-ec18-4613-9851-9d96b943dca2-000000@mailer.miqrogroove.com> Received: from e226-2.smtp-out.us-east-2.amazonses.com (e226-2.smtp-out.us-east-2.amazonses.com [23.251.226.2]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Sun, 23 Mar 2025 12:49:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=qxgm6rwwab7twixglbexlc5btumk6x2k; d=miqrogroove.com; t=1742734331; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; bh=4g8zHSpzoUgb3yywoPnSWJgE3bhEJnUrvvSByn+Ujtk=; b=VawSaf+u3gXir3uaOpiaUz7ofK+mM7ej73nvH3NeMBx7r1uA+cmq8wgwiu7MLrxh TBq5xaRi9I2XRnvcBW3R+KcF2vKlRG+zv/BVn9bBs/m+TlnZAKPiG/qut1BU/rbCCfh GPT8CNf5TVagIRGi5EXJjOiRuBvYiaNUpVlbtisHOrLlowPUerHh4hJzS6PO0fOqeKW t4CR/3/ryfD+x1rkjPt5EG7UDp7aaxQVbL3BDFfw4Wm1AVOxMySJKi7ypZmCy/Ge9ol IGOH6/F4+KZpVrsKJCLBG9TYgL9uB6OsbQL43ifpl1tUPkzG54cWFS4yn8h4BTw+bO7 4sy3fmhY3Q== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/simple; s=xplzuhjr4seloozmmorg6obznvt7ijlt; d=amazonses.com; t=1742734331; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:To:From:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Feedback-ID; bh=4g8zHSpzoUgb3yywoPnSWJgE3bhEJnUrvvSByn+Ujtk=; b=HcFFba2B1TbcSSx6uskY3KBUx149P3bC1ItMtPGPf5BPwgD6KqY9x83Hq6Tf6Je0 hl+zbBoYr22oHRWm5wmUn4OtIvfpKE8ZHAmPPPASvLHEMS1CxEUb/m6PcgRtjjtxrav bL2wX1xo8hm3bH9M73k097c9RkN40aN5hS0k68hc= Authentication-Results: solid; auth=pass (plain) Message-ID: <010f0195c30f8ccb-c7fa839e-ec18-4613-9851-9d96b943dca2-000000@us-east-2.amazonses.com> Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2025 12:52:11 +0000 Precedence: bulk list-help: list-post: List-Id: internals.lists.php.net x-ms-reactions: disallow MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US To: internals@lists.php.net Subject: [PHP-DEV] Feedback for nullc Idea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=miqrogroove.com; s=jan2022; h=subject:from:to; bh=4g8zHSpzoUgb3yywoPnSWJgE3bhEJnUrvvSByn+Ujtk=; b=gX0LTheOwnPiO3Jjl6R3AA9ZWOdZW8VxacSVGRhxQYlX3Yh1fM+wzms9KOYV8Mw1852xGHiGTJ ES4smB5Oo9kMOnevkJQBG6w12IszIHf69tgvA8WScJljKREjdWYSUPNSF9HVSmMK35DhEPsEEXh8 I7gee9av3bT2tTt6LrwAs49I3GkdEqVdRuBol0bGS7UcLMuijQTR9zW2I4GHhYqpayU3TRexS1hA uj/aZo5lCAJPAKKmWNHzxo6GIpRZmuWoNTOKILrmY8C0N3XvGRI9Aesf7h5IXJt904CGdE4jTLmJ Wgyw1lmkq/qVQ3xZNarxKQxxrIptXTFDn9/DBm0w== Feedback-ID: ::1.us-east-2.QbD2JL3ZnDgkTsZd92lLMWNtgKUB27BqpIzxIe67R3Y=:AmazonSES X-SES-Outgoing: 2025.03.23-23.251.226.2 From: php@miqrogroove.com (Robert Chapin) Hi PHP folks, I submitted a proposal on Monday that received no replies.  The idea was about adding a functional construct nullc() that could act as an inline null coalesce for a variable.  That task is currently not possible in a nullc() user function, but instead requires an expression like ($var ?? null) with mandatory extra parentheses.  A functional expression could make this less prone to mistakes.  It would also avoid concerns with alternatives such as unary operators. Any feedback on this idea would be appreciated. ------------- Robert Chapin