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On 17/03/2025 10:37, Alexandru Pătrănescu wrote:
>
>     From what I understand of the proposal, the calling code won't
>     know anything different based on it being "nested" or
>     "namespaced", it will just see a class with a long name with some
>     punctuation in.
>
>
> The problem for me is not autoloading, but that you can't have the two 
> classes defined at the same time, while using some other punctuation 
> it would allow it.
> I believe that there are other operators that we can use, to allow this.


Again, I challenge the premise: why would you want to have both defined 
at the same time?

Do developers in Java, C#, Kotlin, or Swift complain about this limitation?

Is there any other language which makes a syntax distinction between 
"class Foo in namespace Bar" and "class Foo nested in class Bar"?



> (As a note, and this might have been discussed already, but I would 
> prefer to use the term nested class instead of inner class, as in java 
> the inner classes means non-static classes, and I don't think we 
> should go that way.)

100% agree.

If we did implement something more like "inner classes", a special 
syntax might make more sense - there would be a very specific 
relationship between the inner and outer classes. I don't think "has 
special visibility of members, like a friend-class or file-private 
feature" needs to be highlighted in the syntax that way.


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[IMSoP]

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/03/2025 10:37, Alexandru
      Pătrănescu wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAAwdEzDwyMjKutWu2FENE5pm17jGZ0kmrNRDQb-OAxwR-ZdHKQ@mail.gmail.com">
      <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">From
        what I understand of the proposal, the calling code won't know
        anything different based on it being "nested" or "namespaced",
        it will just see a class with a long name with some punctuation
        in.<br>
        <br>
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      <div>The problem for me is not autoloading, but that you can't
        have the two classes defined at the same time, while using some
        other punctuation it would allow it.</div>
      <div>I believe that there are other operators that we can use, to
        allow this.</div>
    </blockquote>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Again, I challenge the premise: why would you want to have both
      defined at the same time?</p>
    <p>Do developers in Java, C#, Kotlin, or Swift complain about this
      limitation?</p>
    <p>Is there any other language which makes a syntax distinction
      between "class Foo in namespace Bar" and "class Foo nested in
      class Bar"?</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>
      <blockquote type="cite">(As a note, and this might have been
        discussed already, but I would prefer to use the term nested
        class instead of inner class, as in java the inner classes means
        non-static classes, and I don't think we should go that way.)</blockquote>
      <br>
    </p>
    <p>100% agree.</p>
    <p>If we did implement something more like "inner classes", a
      special syntax might make more sense - there would be a very
      specific relationship between the inner and outer classes. I don't
      think "has special visibility of members, like a friend-class or
      file-private feature" needs to be highlighted in the syntax that
      way.<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Rowan Tommins
[IMSoP]</pre>
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