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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP True Async RFC
To: Daniil Gentili <daniil.gentili@gmail.com>
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From: edmond.ht@gmail.com (Edmond Dantes)
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>
> Crippling async PHP with async blocks just because some libraries aren't
ready for concurrency now, means crippling the future of async php.
>
How can calling a single function have such a destructive impact on the
future of PHP?
Yes, you have to write 10-20 more characters than usual one time.
Yes, it=E2=80=99s a hack. Every programming language with history has hacks=
.
Hacks evoke negative emotions. But life does too :)
All that=E2=80=99s needed is to change a few lines of code in index.php to
initialize the application in an asynchronous context. It=E2=80=99s the sam=
e as
launching Swoole: you need a few lines of code to initialize the web
server.
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<div dir=3D"ltr">><br>>=C2=A0
Crippling async PHP with async blocks just because some libraries aren'=
t ready for concurrency now, means crippling the future of async php.<br>&g=
t;<div>How can calling a single function have such a destructive impact on =
the future of PHP?=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div>
<p>Yes, you have to write 10-20 more characters than usual one time.=C2=A0<=
br>
Yes, it=E2=80=99s a hack. Every programming language with history has hacks=
.=C2=A0<br>
Hacks evoke negative emotions. But life does too :)</p><p>All that=E2=80=99=
s needed is to change a few lines of code in <code>index.php</code> to init=
ialize the application in an asynchronous context. It=E2=80=99s the same as=
launching Swoole: you need a few lines of code to initialize the web serve=
r.=C2=A0</p><p>---</p><p>Ed</p></div></div>
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