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Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2025 14:24:37 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP True Async RFC
To: Daniil Gentili <daniil.gentili@gmail.com>
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From: edmond.ht@gmail.com (Edmond Dantes)

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>
>  Colored functions completely preclude a possible future thread-based
implementation of concurrency.
>

I can assure you that colored functions are neither part of this RFC nor *a=
ny
future ones* from me. And it's not because it's my decision it's rather the
language itself and the existing codebase that dictate the implementation.
Moreover, we already have extensive experience with Swoole, where
developers=E2=80=99 reactions are well known. And Swoole is essentially PHP=
 +
coroutines.

I can recall the maintainer=E2=80=99s words from memory: it turned out that
developers don=E2=80=99t want to use special functions instead of standard =
ones.

I can confirm this from my own experience. For example, adapting a library
for RabbitMQ required changing only 10-20 lines, and overall, it worked
quickly without tests.

The true strength of any language is not in its syntax. The main strength
is its infrastructure.
Even if a language is poor in terms of development quality, if it has a
massive infrastructure, people will use it.

---

Ed.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">&gt;<br>&gt;=C2=A0

Colored functions completely preclude a possible future thread-based implem=
entation of concurrency.<br>&gt;<div><br></div><div><p>I can assure you tha=
t colored functions are neither part of this RFC nor <b>any future ones</b>=
 from me. And it&#39;s not because it&#39;s my decision it&#39;s rather the=
 language itself and the existing codebase that dictate the implementation.=
 Moreover, we already have extensive experience with Swoole, where develope=
rs=E2=80=99 reactions are well known. And Swoole is essentially PHP + corou=
tines.</p>
<p>I can recall the maintainer=E2=80=99s words from memory: it turned out t=
hat developers don=E2=80=99t want to use special functions instead of stand=
ard ones.</p>
<p>I can confirm this from my own experience. For example, adapting a libra=
ry for RabbitMQ required changing only 10-20 lines, and overall, it worked =
quickly without tests.=C2=A0</p>
<p>The true strength of any language is not in its syntax. The main strengt=
h is its infrastructure.<br>
Even if a language is poor in terms of development quality, if it has a mas=
sive infrastructure, people will use it.</p><p>---</p><p>Ed.</p></div></div=
>

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