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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 14:48:52 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP True Async
To: Rob Landers <rob@bottled.codes>
Cc: Bilge <bilge@scriptfusion.com>, internals@lists.php.net
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From: edmond.ht@gmail.com (Edmond Dantes)

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>
> I think what bilge was trying to point out is that there should be
> absolutely no change on existing software with or without the scheduler
> running (for software not using fibers).
>
I thought the same. But where would you hide Fibers? They are part of the
language.

The existence of Fibers is an unpleasant issue in the context of language
design. Essentially, they break the integrity of the implementation by
creating a "backdoor" for user-land.
So... various ways can be devised to disguise this fact, but they will all
have drawbacks.

Of course, you can create the Scheduler before starting the script and run
the script inside a Fiber. But I'm sure there will be someone who will say
they don't like this approach.

Ed.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px =
solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"msg-3675641730578857=
537"><div id=3D"m_-3675641730578857537sig121229152">I think what bilge was =
trying to point out is that there should be absolutely no change on existin=
g software with or without the scheduler running (for software not using fi=
bers).</div></div></blockquote><p>I thought the same. But where would you h=
ide Fibers? They are part of the language.</p><p>The existence of Fibers is=
 an unpleasant issue in the context of language design. Essentially, they b=
reak the integrity of the implementation by creating a &quot;backdoor&quot;=
 for user-land.<br></p><div>So... various ways can be devised to disguise t=
his fact, but they will all have drawbacks.</div><div><br></div><div>Of cou=
rse, you can create the Scheduler before starting the script and run the sc=
ript inside a Fiber. But I&#39;m sure there will be someone who will say th=
ey don&#39;t like this approach.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Ed.</=
div></div></div>

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