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[2a02:1811:cd2f:3500:e093:fcad:4f6:e542]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 5b1f17b1804b1-433b01e1165sm166474315e9.2.2024.11.24.12.15.09 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 24 Nov 2024 12:15:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <57f809c4-46e2-4fc7-a7c5-d4b2220ab8d4@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2024 21:16:00 +0100 Precedence: bulk list-help: list-post: List-Id: internals.lists.php.net x-ms-reactions: disallow MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Data Classes To: internals@lists.php.net References: <18b85ba5-5f1c-489c-9096-3ae203977fbe@app.fastmail.com> <1fbc115a-dc22-4997-84cb-0ed7de2990dc@app.fastmail.com> Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <1fbc115a-dc22-4997-84cb-0ed7de2990dc@app.fastmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: dossche.niels@gmail.com (Niels Dossche) On 24/11/2024 12:49, Rob Landers wrote: > This isn't a race or competition, and I meant "competing with records" and not "competing with Ilija." Though, I see how it could be interpreted that way. Rob, You _are_ making it a race. You did the same thing to Ilija now what you tried to do to Gina a while back with function autoloading. And no this is not about the wording you chose. I know you have your opinion about internals, I've seen your reddit complaints a couple of times, but I would urge you open up to a different perspective. I can understand really wanting to land a particular feature into PHP, but I would urge you to collaborate instead of making close copies of the same proposal. Or if you have a different proposal, try to contact the authors of the currently running proposal to see if the combined efforts "can be greater than the sum of the individual parts". This kind of behaviour isn't doing you credit. If you're that eager to land changes in PHP, feel free to go through https://github.com/php/php-src/issues, there are always more issues than we can handle. I usually only lurk on the mailing list, but the thread really stood out to me. This is all I have to say for now, and I probably won't interact with this thread again. Kind regards Niels