Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:125954 X-Original-To: internals@lists.php.net Delivered-To: internals@lists.php.net Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (php-smtp4.php.net [45.112.84.5]) by qa.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBD501A00BD for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2024 03:01:59 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=php.net; s=mail; t=1731553475; bh=jMizrO7qekDz7NDuqqQTyMM7icVKZF2aeVrNjf3REUU=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=WfGCZzIILrk75vp8M+JZVp8DYx9Tqc2KKR4SdK8uhoK33PD3EYAt8SYLWzIQHSrqv q19cyOhqG6gC11qIGFKBMwZ9eU91XPwsLuDcOkyUA0h5/0jiSXG4DzIOMEgBtntpzQ f66KxHM9WpyTdoxUT5ZKlpfvJm7l77eLeU4LQP1XJsxvyEdfDmAoQ7Lk95XSj9MyRX 2jfGjrwG/im+lnmTnSD6NDCr+767eJclK6FisG/XxQ70zYtCyqZqfM/MuDxLflbndb PFoYI0b1+waMDG4BRdV6EzMdBChuhnTJWG+zOHoyHtMrc5lI1RIBX/evQ3RcDRGW6R UVw/vlUnfLZ0A== Received: from php-smtp4.php.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F77218002F for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2024 03:04:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-13) on php-smtp4.php.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,DMARC_PASS,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 X-Spam-Virus: No X-Envelope-From: Received: from mail-4317.proton.ch (mail-4317.proton.ch [185.70.43.17]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by php-smtp4.php.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS for ; Thu, 14 Nov 2024 03:04:32 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gpb.moe; s=protonmail2; t=1731553314; x=1731812514; bh=jMizrO7qekDz7NDuqqQTyMM7icVKZF2aeVrNjf3REUU=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector:List-Unsubscribe:List-Unsubscribe-Post; b=lMLIwzCW6lpV7thssDLHgflQsu9sEMlDQGef2PZYSXm22BzceLqQKRw2kKZloK/F9 XvaKv2YGgC3Yzh6Jipo87bIrmDwf0Tq4cIRNl2nybgGb2Q2RTuiAg5Ih6ShVOOJtts d86wc/QJYAIpNo+CiiGIBuUhqhL0w/AdQlUGImD5kkhJ3i24CoCF9yNFjYiIXm1YRi p54RJ/QNBexwVu0mpjoDNMXeeYMYxsG+tGlr2SgBW9j8O7Jo4Utt2hVAEZmke84mVe 0Gk5ZSbp32jb3smqrauDm3NKhacTB2p/zmrCAC0zYZQINNhSZzoRgFtX6nK4r9f2O7 oA/jGKxMC2W4Q== Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 03:01:49 +0000 To: Jonathan Vollebregt Cc: internals@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] PHP.net analytics Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <55320aad-758a-4d06-b1bd-3eac2b5a5f71@app.fastmail.com> <3963499a-c9ac-4cbe-b40d-44d62a9240d2@jnvsor.net> Feedback-ID: 96993444:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: e04d15d7b4db80fe55597f218e8665c48fcd2164 Precedence: bulk list-help: list-post: List-Id: internals.lists.php.net x-ms-reactions: disallow MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internals@gpb.moe ("Gina P. Banyard") On Wednesday, 13 November 2024 at 19:06, Jonathan Vollebregt wrote: > On 11/11/24 8:11 PM, Larry Garfield wrote: >=20 > > Metrics that go into a black box with a 3rd party are bad. That's not w= hat is being proposed. >=20 >=20 > From my perspective it's still minified (obfuscated) code going into a > black box. Just because you own the box doesn't make it any more > transparent to me. So what would be transparent? That we publish all the data that we collect = on a minute by minute basis? Minified is not obfuscated, so this argument is complete nonsense and not r= eceivable. Best regards, Gina P. Banyard