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To: internals@lists.php.net, John Coggeshall <john@coggeshall.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC][Vote] Policy on third party code
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From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans)

On 11 November 2024 00:14:22 GMT, John Coggeshall <john@coggeshall=2Eorg> w=
rote:
>I also voted against because I think it's silly to create these arbitrary=
 rules on the various frameworks=2E "Not playing favorites" is literally as=
 easy as saying "The people who volunteered their time to build X did so us=
ing Y because that's what they knew, it doesn't mean the PHP project favors=
 them over another option"=2E
>
>No one serious writes PHP code without a framework today, and the fact we=
 go so far to keeping PHP "stand alone" I think hurts the project more than=
 it helps because it gives a casual observer the idea that PHP development =
is just the PHP language, which simply is never the case for a serious proj=
ect=2E


This is counter productive, because the current rule is: don't use anythin=
g, or mention anything, third party=2E

And we're in 2024 now and nobody writes PHP code without Composer=2E Witho=
ut this change, we can't use any composer available library for PHP=2ENET s=
ites, nor even mention it in the documentation=2E=20

That's bonkers=2E=20

Also, requiring the PHP properties not never use anything third party make=
s everything so much more of a pain for us=2E

I strongly recommend you change your opinion on this=2E=20

cheers
Derick