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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 10/22/24 22:39, Calvin Buckley wrote: > After discussing it and thinking about it for a few days, I agree it's > not a BC break. Existing code should be fine, and larger frameworks > that tend to rely on reflection trickery and such also tend to need > updates for newer PHP. The expectations don't really change. > > I don't think we need to rush a solution in for 8.4 as long as we can > implement one with the existing APIs in userland. As Larry mentioned, > readonly (and hooks) already made the previous assumptions invalid by > 8.1. As long as we can provide a polyfill and documentation (which > should also cover the readonly case in 8.1 too), I'm OK with deferring > isReadable/isWritable to 8.5. Chiming in briefly to second Calvin's statement above. ~Eric --------------KiwvA4s8nFl0rTdgbFupA4uR Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On 10/22/24 22:39, Calvin Buckley wrote: 
After discussing it and thinking about it for a few days, I agree it's
not a BC break. Existing code should be fine, and larger frameworks
that tend to rely on reflection trickery and such also tend to need
updates for newer PHP. The expectations don't really change.

I don't think we need to rush a solution in for 8.4 as long as we can
implement one with the existing APIs in userland. As Larry mentioned,
readonly (and hooks) already made the previous assumptions invalid by
8.1. As long as we can provide a polyfill and documentation (which
should also cover the readonly case in 8.1 too), I'm OK with deferring
isReadable/isWritable to 8.5.
Chiming in briefly to second Calvin's statement above.

~Eric
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